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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #105 on: May 01, 2005, 03:28:09 PM »
So it seems he does have some artistic talents.

Btw, does QV's favorite son Arthur have any kind of artistic talent?  I have not read anything about his artistic interests.

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« Reply #106 on: May 01, 2005, 05:01:26 PM »
I haven't seen much about it. Given Daisy & Patsy's immense interest and talent in art you could make an assumption that there was some encouragement in that arena. Arthur also sponsored some artists of the Indian scene during his time in India. He recommended some works to Queen Victoria and also that she buy some items and have it mentioned in the Court Circular.
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« Reply #107 on: May 03, 2005, 07:36:22 PM »
It’s some interesting to realize that QV almost lost her place as Queen. She wasn’t fated to be heir just because her father beat his others to the ‘baby stakes’. The Clarences had a child who was born AFTER Victoria. Princess Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide, was born at St. James on 10 December 1820. She was 6 premature. This birth displaced her young cousin who had been born 7 months prior.  The newspapers even went so far as to talk of a future Queen Bess. The poor Duchess of Clarence (who would become Queen Adelaide) who was so gentle and wanted children so badly, finally seemed destined to have her child after the loss of one child (Charlotte) on the day of her birth and a miscarriage after a few months of pregnancy. (Of her pregnancies only Charlotte and Elizabeth would live long enough to receive a name)  A few months later tragedy struck and the young Princess died after a ‘convulsive fit’ in March 1821. The cause of death was given as an ‘entanglement’ of the bowels. The would be another stillbirth, then stillborn twins and finally no more pregnancies. None of this made her bitter towards either her husband’s several illegitimate children nor her young niece who would assume the throne that would’ve belonged to her own children. She was very fond of Victoria and would’ve spent more time with her if the Duchess of Kent had permitted it. Adelaide wrote a charming, albeit sad, note to the Duchess of Kent when Victoria was small, after the death of her own child, saying that since her own children were gone, she considered Victoria "mine, too" so dearly did she love her. The young Victoria had sympathized  with her "Aunt Clarence" because she knew "how well she loved children." Victoria would continue to be fond of Adelaide until the latter’s death. There is a story (don’t know if it’s actually true) relating that when Edward VII and Queen Alexandra were walking through Buckingham Palace, they came across a marble statue. This statue depicted one of Adelaide’s lost children in a cradle. Alexandra inquired as to who it was and rumor has it that EVII replied that ’ My dear, if that baby had lived, you and I would not be here!’



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« Reply #108 on: May 23, 2005, 12:39:38 AM »
Back to QV and her dislike of babies and baby-worship. That is something I share with her, but I don;t think it necessarily means that one is therefore unfit to undertake the tasksof being a parent. In  Victoria's time - and still today - there is a whole array of gender-related responses, very seldom explored by most people, and sprung like a trap on the unwary. Victoria sounds to me as if she is rebelling against the ideal of a woman, as mother, expected to simper round 'her' infant in a state of fatuousness - and to me, she sounds like a proto-feminist! Outspoken as she was about the ugliness of infants ('that dreadful, froglike action in the bath') and about how giving birth made her feel like a cow or a dog was remarkable in an age that was creating the whole crippling apparatus of the cult of Pure Womanhood and of the Pure Mother. She was remarkably frank and helpful to her daughters and granddaughters, so that her death removed a wise, reliable pillar of their lives, and it is one of the reasons that I greatly admire her and would have loved to have known her.
And tomorrow is her birthday ... I think we'll have a party!

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« Reply #109 on: May 23, 2005, 05:15:19 AM »
Alexandra, what an interesting post! Do you think she was aware that she was rebelling? One of the many contradictions in her character is that she was so firmly opposed to the rights of women (claiming, for example, that one aristocratic lady who supported women's suffrage should be horsewhipped!! Or insisting that the husband was the head of the household & must be obeyed) & yet she was very outspoken in claiming her own rights! It must have been difficult for her to assimilate these contradictory views particularly in her relationship with Albert. On the one hand she maintained that she was THE QUEEN & yet she was so dependent upon him & was adamant that within the home, he was her 'master.' The older she grew, the more able I think she was to separate her role as Queen & her role as wife/mother. (Hence her exasperated laughter when Wilhelm wrote to her using his full title as Kaiser.)
I share your admiration for her; she is one of the most fascinating monarchs in history!

A party for her birthday! What a good idea!!  :D

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« Reply #110 on: May 23, 2005, 11:29:59 PM »
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Hi everyone

I've come across a picture of Queen Victoria that I had never seen before. It's dated 1840s-1850s.
Has anyone ever seen it before or others from the same sitting perhaps?
I just noticed (a little late :-[) PrinceEddy's wonderful post on the Prince Consort thread of a pic of Albert in his early twenties. Are there any other pics of him around that period? Maybe together with Victoria or one of his elder children?

Here's the link to young Queen V, I hope you like it!

http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/piclib/pages/bigpicture.asp?id=1399


Was the queen pregnant with Vicky in those pics or was it after she had her?

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« Reply #111 on: May 24, 2005, 10:39:33 AM »
I think it was lovely how the family celebrated Queen Victoria's birthday even when they were away in other countries. In 1869, for example, Princess Alice wrote from Potsdam (where she was staying with Vicky):

"How much we thought of you...I can't say! Lord Augustus Loftus dined with us three & the elder children; and we drank your health, the band playing, 'God Save the Queen'! All our girls had wreaths of natural flowers in honour of the day."  :)

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« Reply #112 on: May 24, 2005, 01:31:01 PM »
someone asked if those photos of QV were while she was pregnant with Vicky.  That is impossible.  THe first photograph ever taken of QV was with Vicky when she was about four years old.

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« Reply #113 on: May 24, 2005, 01:50:55 PM »
Hi Aliss_Kande, welcome to the forum  :). Do you know which photograph that is? (Could you maybe post it, if it's not already posted  :)).

I would have thought QV would have had an aversion to being photographed while pregnant. Like Vicky, she seemed to think it was something that should be hidden. The photograph of Princess Alice at Bertie's wedding is quite amusing because she is virtually drowned in a huge rug/cape to conceal her pregnancy, but the rug simply draws attention to it!!

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« Reply #114 on: May 24, 2005, 04:30:15 PM »
Hey everyone.  ;D  I have been away for a really long time. I missed everyone. Unfortunatly I will still probably not be posting up to full speed or whatever. I have a new job that takes up time (I love it though and am glad to be working) but also I am on a really slow internet and computer now. It really stinks.


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. Do you know which photograph that is? (Could you maybe post it, if it's not already posted  :)).


This is the photo Aliss was reffering to toria


The ones Karen posted the link to were taken later in the early 1850s at least. I doubt she is pregnant with any child in the photo pf her in the light colored dress. There were some more on that site that were upper body shots that may have been taken during her pregnancy with Leopold. ?.


And yes Happy Birthday to the Old Queen.  ;)
I wonder how or if the current royals celebrate or remember her birthday. Do you think they all even know today is the anniversey of her birth? I hope they do.

I have often wondered about the extent of knowledge today's royal family has about their predecessors. What do William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, Zara, Anne etc. know about Eddy, George, Toria, Daisy, Patsy, Vicky etc. It would be interesting to know.
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« Reply #115 on: May 24, 2005, 09:07:52 PM »
 

Is that photo Bertie or Vicky? I've seen both of them listed--does anyone know for sure? It's so hard to tell with the children at that age.
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« Reply #116 on: May 24, 2005, 09:24:00 PM »
Hey ella. I missed you and Alicky (or should I say Mrs. Eddy  ;D) alot. Then again I missed everyone alot  ;).

I am almost positive that it is Vicky. I always thought it was even when I saw it listed as Bertie. I think the doll does give it away and the dress. Bertie would have been about three. I am not sure of the exact age he stopped wearing dresses but.. Also the hair style seems quite femanine. It is parted at the center like the Queens and there are ringlets. It just looks more like Vicky too to me. But also it looks alot like Moretta at that age, specifically those photos taken of her and Vicky in 1870.

I think most newer publications have this listed strictly as Vicky as well. It is in so many books but the couple that said it was bertie it seems to me were older (published prior to 15 or 20 years ago) books and periodicals. ?.

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« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2005, 08:31:35 PM »
If first saw that listed as Bertie in a web site not to long ago.  However, I went to the library and skimmed the picture sections of three books about QV and one about Vicky.  All had that picture and all listed it as Vicky.  So, I think it is safe to say it's Vicky. :)

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« Reply #118 on: May 29, 2005, 03:41:15 PM »
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I have often wondered about the extent of knowledge today's royal family has about their predecessors. What do William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, Zara, Anne etc. know about Eddy, George, Toria, Daisy, Patsy, Vicky etc. It would be interesting to know.


Since Beatrice and Eugenie were named after QV's daughter and grandaughter, respectively, I would hope that they know about their namesakes. I recently got the book Victoria and Albert: A Family Life at Osborne House, and was surprised to read that Fergie (the author) has such a liking towards Victoria's youngest daughter. So much so that she named her own daughter after her. And as far as Eugenie goes, she explains: "Napoleon III and his wife, the Empress Eugenie (after whom Princess Beatrice named her daughter and hence our Eugenie), were invited there in 1857" (italics are mine).

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« Reply #119 on: May 29, 2005, 04:13:11 PM »
I am sure the York Princesses know all there is to know about QV.  QV is Sarah's favorite royal and she has spoke actually "gushed" many times about QV & Albert on American television with a hint of tears in her eyes and awesome respect in her voice.

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