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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2012, 03:49:03 AM »
Just re-read my post, and it may appear that I'm being critical of George Donatus. I'm not - just saying that he had ten years and more of adult life before he was killed, so time enough to have a job and education, and I'm interested to know what.

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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #91 on: January 18, 2012, 10:19:21 AM »
From what I understand he was learning how to manage the various properties they had in Darmstadt.  Also, I believe he was taking courses in agriculture.
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« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2012, 11:39:46 AM »
Thanks. That's pretty much as I expected.

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« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2012, 03:29:45 PM »
Naturally since both Ernie & Ona were very hands on with their subjects.

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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #94 on: June 27, 2013, 02:07:16 PM »
A very touching picture of Princess Cecilie holding her new-born daughter Johanna:



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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #95 on: June 27, 2013, 10:07:05 PM »
That was part of a series done--there are about 5 (?) sittings altogether I think. They pop up for sale on ebay and other sites now and then--as do a lot of the non-archive ones on the page. That's probably where they took them from. For a while, there were a ton of Don, Cecile & family postcards up for less than $20/ea. There were some other ones too--including some more from the sittings shown with the kids relaxing with their parents and of their sons au natural as an infants and toddlers. (Wouldn't we all love our naked baby photos mass produced and even up for sale decades later? LOL) Hopefully, they will continue to come up for sale and stay reasonably priced--Ernie's family tends not to be too hard to get, at least of him, Eleanore and the children when younger. Cecile seems to have had more mass postcards than her sister but perhaps the others just don't pop up as much because, while they led longer lives, there wasn't the aura of both glamour and tragedy over them. Cecile was shown more in the British magazines as well and seemed to visit London in the early 30s a good bit.
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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #96 on: June 28, 2013, 09:23:18 AM »
Wonder if Joanna Knatchbull named after the little one.
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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #97 on: June 28, 2013, 11:26:15 AM »
A very touching picture of Princess Cecilie holding her new-born daughter Johanna:



This and other treasures of her and her family can be found in this webpage:

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/lan_ka_k/post281450040/

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Cecilie has a different appearance than her usual head-on photos. Her nose is more subtle, less downward curving.  She almost has a similarity to Catherine Zeta Jones. Great photo.
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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2013, 09:35:40 PM »
Cecilie was the beauty of the family.

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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2014, 04:37:19 AM »
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I just read that Kaiser Wilhelm sent a telegram to Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore immediately after he heard of Georg Donatus's birth: "Der große Woog, der kleine Woog, es lebe der kleine Erbgroßherzog! Ich bin natürlich Pate".

(maybe someone can translate it into proper English?)

So Wilhelm invited himself to be one of the Godfathers to the little hessian prince...


I ran it through Google's translator and got this:

"The large Woog, the small Woog, it lives the small hereditary Grand Duke!  I am naturally godfather."


No clue what a Woog is, but Wilhelm certainly was eager to be a godfather ;)

Woog is an old south west- german word for a 'standing' lake, such a lake which is no part of a river.
The Großer Woog is a lake in Darmstadt which still exists, you can bath there, the Kleiner Woog (small Woog) was buried with earth in 1988 and is today the Woogsplatz (a place in Darmstadt. Don't ask me why but they did so back then. Here in the part of Berlin where I live they did so too. :(

The Großer Woog today, you see the bathing people, if you click you get it bigger..


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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #100 on: May 03, 2014, 05:48:53 AM »
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"Der große Woog, der kleine Woog, es lebe der kleine Erbgroßherzog!"
Perhaps Wilhelm was quoting some children's rhyming ditty from Darmstadt, adding Erbgroßherzog instead of Großherzog?

Haha, with the Hochzeitsturm right behind Der große Woog Ernst Ludwig had a perfect place to sit with his binoculars spying on nude, bathing lads! Only for "artistic purposes", of course!
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Берёзы севера мне милы,—
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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #101 on: May 03, 2014, 11:22:19 PM »
You mean boy watching...Well if that was the case. Ducky did have a point there...

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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2014, 03:53:14 AM »
You mean boy watching...

No, I doubt that Ernst Ludwig was a pedophile, interested in pre-pubescent boys. Even though all homosexual actions were criminal according to the penal law of the German Empire, sexual majority was 14 years. (Which it remains in Germany.) The "stable boys" referred to by his ex-wife were certainly not children, but adolescents or young men.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 03:54:54 AM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2014, 01:39:05 PM »
'Boy' in English usage can refer to teenage lads just as much as pre-adolescents. But I agree that Ernst Ludwig's 'stable boys' were most likely 16+.

For an aristocrat to be chasing after stable boys, who would fear repercussions if they said no, was reprehensible ( just think of the disapproval over the master of the household, or his son, seducing the servant girls).

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Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
« Reply #104 on: May 04, 2014, 05:49:51 PM »
'Boy' in English usage can refer to teenage lads just as much as pre-adolescents.
Indeed. Ernst Ludwig might have described himself as "an old boy".
(In German this is more problematic, with the archaïc Knabe meaning a male before or in the early stages of puberty and the contemporary Junge having the original meaning "young(ster)".)

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For an aristocrat to be chasing after stable boys, who would fear repercussions if they said no, was reprehensible ( just think of the disapproval over the master of the household, or his son, seducing the servant girls).

If it really happened it was an abuse of his position, but it does look rather wholesome compared to the many young girls whose lives were ruined when their masters got them pregnant and abandoned them and their children born into a prejudiced world as bastards. What makes it sad is that Ernst Ludwig was one of the people who could have lobbied to repeal § 175 of the German Imperial Criminal Code (in force untill 1969), which made homosexual acts a crime. (With about 300-400 charges and convictions each year.)

Perhaps few people know that the world's very first self-identified gay person and gay rights activist was Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, from Aurich in East Frisia, who was forced to resign as a judge in the Kingdom of Hannover and denied the right to practise as a lawyer because of his homosexuality. His public coming-out at the annual congress of German lawyers in Munich (!) in 1867, where he appealed to de-criminalize homosexuality, led to turmoils! He went into exile in Italy and made his living as a Latin scholar.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 05:59:25 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)