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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series?
« Reply #405 on: July 03, 2012, 10:21:34 AM »
Wow Ann, this is quite a role a role you're on! A gripping subplot that is necessary as I took am going to look to put something together soon that has little to do with the main characters, Nicholas & Alexandra, themselves.

Good stuff...keep it coming!
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« Reply #406 on: July 03, 2012, 11:58:33 AM »
Lots of dramatic potential here, and it will all help to explain why Nicholas and Alexandra were so desparate that Alexei should survive.

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« Reply #407 on: July 03, 2012, 12:34:06 PM »
Nice chapters, Ann.
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« Reply #408 on: July 03, 2012, 03:26:15 PM »
Alrighty, I too am taking a little detour from the main characters and plot to focus some time on the rather unsavory characters that will be playing a more important role towards the end of this saga. I want to give the viewer an idea of what else is going on in Russia from time to time and an understanding of the brewing revolution taking place that will ultimately devour an empire. I'm going to be touching on the lives and upbringing of Alexander Kerensky, Leon Trotsky and possibly even Joseph Stalin. For now allow me to introduce one Vladimir Ilyich Lenin...

Next scene shows Vladimir Lenin and his brother Alexander summoned before their parents in their father’s study to reveal their school report cards. It’s around the year 1882 and the boys are 12 and 14 respectively.

Ilya: Lets have a look Alexander, shall we?
Alexander (nervously): Yes sir (handing over his report card)
Ilya (takes a moment to read over): I’d say I’m disappointed in you Alexander but your mother and I have grown rather accustomed to this sort of thing.
Alexander: I’ll do better father, I promise
Maria: Teacher says you’re more the idealistic type and impulsive toward your classmates.
Ilya: And from the looks of this (holds up Alexander’s report card) you’re not too taken with your studies. I suppose you’d prefer working in the factory when the day comes my boy?

Alexander stands quietly and ashamed. Just then his younger brother steps forward and proudly hands over to his father his own report card...

Vladimir: Excellent in everything!
Ilya: Ah, yes, now this is more like it!
Maria: Splendid "Volodya", you make us both very proud!
Ilya: Alexander you could stand to learn a thing or two from your younger brother about hard work and discipline.
Alexander (indignantly): Yes father.
Vladimir: Father, mother, may I go play Alexander in chess before supper?
Ilya: It looks to me like Alexander has some reading and studying up to do. But why don’t you and I have a nice game before supper Volodya?
Vladimir (excitedly): Yes sir!

Vladimir sits down with his father while mother Maria takes the despondent looking Alexander out of the room. The scene cuts away. Next scene takes place in 1887. Vladimir Lenin now seventeen is shown frustratingly scribbling the following sentence into his diary…

Vladimir Lenin (writing): “Little more than a year since father has passed. Our home has again been turned upside down. Alexander and four other students from the university in St. Petersburg have been arrested in a plot to assassinate Tsar Alexander III. Who is to watch over us now? No father. No brother. No God.”

Next scene shows Vladimir and Mother Maria visiting Alexander in prison. Vladimir remains silent while his mother is in tears...

Maria (sobbing): I still don’t understand how this can all be!
Alexander: I tried to kill the Tsar. The attempt failed and that is all there is to it.

Next scene shows Alexander being taken to the gallows, his mother walking beside him saying, “Have courage. Have courage.” We then show Vladimir and Maria among an angry crowd firing off expletives in the direction of Alexander and his fellow conspirators. Maria has tears in her eyes and looks about to faint as she grips onto her son Vladimir’s arm. Vladimir gives a long hard look and moments later the executioner gives the signal and all five students drop…their suspended bodies dangling from the end of the rope around their necks. The scene cuts away.

Next scene is Vladimir’s graduation day and we see the school headmaster speaking with Maria. The head master’s name is Fedor Kerensky and standing next to him is his young son Alexander…

Fedor: Madame I know this has been a difficult time for you and your family. I can only imagine that the next several years will be far more peaceful for you than what you’ve been forced to go through in the last couple.
Maria: I thank you kindly Mr. Kerensky. In spite of everything I am proud that my Vladimir has managed to keep his focus and excel in his studies.
Fedor: Indeed, I’ll have you know that I’ve written for him a scholastic endorsement. Would you like me to read?
Maria: My word, what a thoughtful gesture…of course by all means!
Fedor (put on his glasses and reading): Very gifted, always neat and assiduous, Ulyanov was first in all his subjects, and upon completing his studies received a gold medal as the most deserving pupil with regard to his ability, progress and behavior. Neither in the school, nor outside, has a single instance been observed when he has given cause for dissatisfaction by word or by deed to the school authorities. Religion and discipline were the basis of this upbringing…the fruits of which are apparent in Ulyanov’s behavior.
Maria: How very splendid of you to regard my son with such esteem.
Fedor: He has earned every accolade. Yet I must say Madame looking more closely at Ulyanov’s character and private life I have had occasion to note a somewhat excessive tendency towards isolation and reserve. A tendency to avoid contact with acquaintances and even with the very best of his school fellows outside school hours.
Maria: His is a very private young man, perhaps not a natural born leader of men but never the less driven. He’ll make a good, productive citizen. I’ll see to it.  
Fedor (smiling): Very good Mrs. Ulyanov.
Maria: I must be going in a moment but may I ask who this charming young boy is by your side?
Fedor: Ah, yes, I do apologize for not introducing to you my son Alexander. Madame Ulyanov please meet Alexander Kerensky.

Maria bends over smiling to shake hands with the young boy as the scene fades out. We then see a short montage of scenen showing Lenin reading, studying law, working out, and taking part in a small student demonstration. We quickly show a scene of Vladimir at the dinner table of his mother’s home sitting with Maria and his other siblings...

Vladimir: Brother Alexander failed because he thought that assassinating one man would change everything. In fact it would have changed nothing. The oppressive autocratic regime would have carried on under Nicholas.
Maria: Please not at the dinner table Vladimir, you know how it pains me to think about your brother like that. I worry that you are destined to follow in his footsteps.
Vladimir: I have no desire to take lives mother. Marxist revolution is about changing the entire system of government, not eliminating one or even a dozen men.
Maria: When are you ever going to put down that “Das Kapital” you’ve been reading over and over?
Vladimir: Marx declared the core of the revolution would be the urban proletariat. I too plan to move to St. Petersburg. But where my older brother failed I shall succeed.

His dismayed looking mother picks up her plate and leaves the dining room. Scene cuts away.
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« Reply #409 on: July 03, 2012, 03:26:41 PM »
Next scene shows Lenin having arrived in St. Petersburg in 1893. We catch up with him in a Marxist study group one evening. He’s sitting next to a woman named Nadezhda Krupskaya who is speaking out against the autocracy and the need for radical reform...

Krupskaya: The Tsar and governors do not wish to permit any sort of reform. We have gone backwards since the death of Alexander II. An overthrown of the regime, violent perhaps, will one day be necessary. You will see!
Man #1: And I believe that gradual reform is the solution. The Tsar’s cannot hold out forever. Why don’t we focus on the establishment of a literary committee to educate the masses?
Lenin (laughing & speaking over others): Anybody who likes to save the fatherland with a literacy committee, why, fine, we shall not interfere.

The man who previously spoke scowls as most of the rest of the room laughs. Next scene shows Krupskaya in the distance and Lenin up close reading aloud from the illegal socialist literature he was in possession of in front of factory strikers and curious onlookers. He’s also handing out anti-government leaflets to the workers. Speaking to one particular volunteer joining in the cause Lenin speaks the following…

Lenin: We must be careful now to make this about the government as a whole not a pointed criticism of the Tsar.
Man #2: But isn’t Nicholas II the one pulling all of the strings? Isn’t he the real problem that needs to be eliminated?
Lenin: At some point yes. But lets not forget we are about persuading minds for now. Tsar Nicholas has been on throne for less than a year. It looks downright silly to lay the blame of everything we know to be wrong with Russia at his feet. If you start right way talking against the Tsar and the existing social system, you only antagonize the workers.

Moments later under cover police appear and they start breaking up the workers strike. People are dispersing rapidly but Lenin is caught up to by a couple of men and promptly arrested. After a year in prison we shift the scene to Lenin living in Siberian in exile. Nadya Kupskaya, by this point his lover, has finally been able to join him having received the permission of a transfer to Shushenskoe after she too has been arrested. The year is now 1898 and they embrace each other with a hug and a romantic kiss…

Lenin: I’m so thrilled you are here with me at last.
Kupskaya: I’ll never forget this day…(looking around and seeing piles of books and paper work in his home)…and I see you’ve been keeping busy my dear.
Lenin: I’ve been writing and studying and working out, and not much else. What more is an educated man expected to do in exile? I must say that these living arrangements are quite peaceful and suitable even as I feel cut off from so much of the world.
Kupskaya: How is the book coming along…have you decided on a title yet?
Lenin: “The Development of Capitalism in Russia”. And very well, yes.
Kupskaya: This is an exciting time. Once we are both free to return to St. Petersburg we can join up with the newly formed “Social Democratic Labour Party”!
Lenin: Yes I understand they got together in Minsk and their first congress was held in March.
Kupskaya: Nine delegates were chosen, all of whom were arrested almost immediately by those bastards in the imperial police.
Lenin: To be expected. The more of us they arrest the more men and women rise up to take our places. Then later on we will reemerge to help strengthen and the lead the movement.
Kupskaya: Yes I’m sure you’re right. I must warn you that my mother is to be arriving in a day or two to stay with us. It was the only acceptable arrangement.
Lenin (mild surprise): I understand.
Kupskaya: Also, we can only be together if we are to convince them that there will be a marriage. As I wrote you I had to lie about being your fiancé just to get this far. They won’t let me stay unless they believe me to be your wife.
Lenin: Then lets make it official. I love you Nadya. Together we’ll make a wonderful pair of revolutionaries.

Both smile at each other before embracing again and the scene cuts away.
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« Reply #410 on: July 03, 2012, 05:12:30 PM »
More excellent scenes and a good take on Lenin.
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« Reply #411 on: July 03, 2012, 07:51:35 PM »
More excellent scenes and a good take on Lenin.

Thanks Tim...I need to resist the urge to make up a character who storms into one of his Marxist meetings and pops a cap in him! lol. Something on Trotsky or Kerensky is probably coming next followed by Tatiana's birth and more from the world of the Romanovs circa 1897-1900.
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« Reply #412 on: July 04, 2012, 07:17:47 AM »
I like these scenes too. May be worth bringing out that Lenin's father was a schools inspector of modest origins, so particularly concerned that his sons should be model students.

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« Reply #413 on: July 05, 2012, 02:30:09 AM »
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« Reply #414 on: July 10, 2012, 12:46:14 AM »
OK I just finished putting something together. Next chapter devoted to bringing a young Alexander Kerensky into our story. I figured it important to use he and Lenin as a way to show not only the build up to the revolution but to give the audience a window into the Russia that exists outside the palace walls. In case it's not already obvious I'm using Massie's chapter "Two Revolutionaries" as the inspiration for this concept. I had considered bringing the likes of Trotsky and Stalin into the story early as well but I don't think that is necessary. Kerensky and Lenin are perfect characters not only because of the important role they played in the revolution and the lives of the IF but because of their divergent political views, even as radical revolutionaries...who also just happened to be born in the same town albeit eleven years apart. I may sound like I'm reaching a bit here, but here it goes...


Next scene begins with the words Simbirsk, 1889 scrolling across the scene. We see apple and cherry orchards lining the rolling hills all the way down to the banks of the Volga River. Peasants are working and singing songs in the fields and in a large flat we see Fyodor Kerensky bursting through the door to tell his wife Nadezhda the good news...

Fyodor: Nadezhda may I speak with you for a moment?
Nadezhda (finishing up a conversation with the Governess of one of her daughters): Just a moment Marie...what is it dear (walking over)?
Fyodor (excitedly): It has been decided! I'm to be promoted Director of Education for the Province of Turkestan...effective this autumn!
Nadezhda (reads the official confirmation letter being handed to her): Fyodor this is delightful news. I'm so proud of you my dear. I will miss it here but we'll surely make a new home in Turkestan.
Fyodor: Yes, the town of Tashkent to be specific. We should go tell the children quickly.
Nadezhda: Lets go tell Alexander first and away from the girls. It will do him good since I know he'll be disappointed to leave here.
Fyodor (confused): More so than the girls?
Nadezhda (smiling): He's practically the head of class here. The best student and the son of a headmaster.
Fyodor: Of course I fully expect him to remain at the head of his class...and that I'm now a director should have nothing to do with it. Nothing other than it perhaps gives him a little extra incentive. Something more to live up to.

Fyodor takes his wife by the hand and the scene cuts away. Next scene we see a young Alexander around the age of nine listening in behind the slightly cracked open door of the adjacent room to a conversation his parents are having. Fyodor finishes reading a pamphlet written by Leo Tolstoy protesting the alliance of the "backward" Russia autocracy with the French Republic...

Nadezhda: I'm not sure what Tolstoy expects to accomplish circulating such rubbish...he'll end up getting himself arrested.
Fyodor: Perhaps worth it to prove a point. I think the common men and women of Russia are all getting a little tired at the behavior of the autocracy and St. Petersburg society in general.
Nadezhda: Careful what you speak of Fyodor! That is the Tsar you are referring to. Besides we of all people should not be complaining. The government has provided so much for us.
Fyodor: And we have provided much to the government.
Nadezhda: Then it's a perfect partnership. Nothing to speak out against.
Fyodor: As an educated man raising his children in a society increasingly wrought with tyranny and corruption I feel a certain responsibility to speak my mind on such matters!
Nadezhda: You have a responsibility to provide for and protect your family as a father...
Fyodor (interrupting): I have a responsibility to dozens of teachers and hundreds of students as well to make sure they are able to grow up in a land of freedom and opportunity...Leo Tolstoy understands this. I wish you would as well.

Nadezhda shakes her head in disgust and leaves the room while Alexander scampers away from the door and races upstairs to bed. Next scene flashes forward a few years to the autumn of 1894. Tsar Alexander III has just died and a now thirteen year old Alexander is reading the obituary with his mother in the local newspaper. It is a somber mood around the house and both he, his mother and sisters break into tears. The scene shifts to a church service in honor of the fallen Tsar. We hear the priest giving a eulogy and see tears streaming down the face of Alexander and his mother as the camera focuses in on the family. After that we show Alexander in school holding up a sign and collecting small donations in a basket. After that we see him hanging from the front of school awning a large wreath in commemoration of Tsar Alexander III. The scene cuts away.
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« Reply #415 on: July 10, 2012, 12:47:09 AM »
Next scene flashes forwarded to St. Petersburg as it’s now 1899. Kerensky is attending the University. Hanging out with friends outside of class he engages in the following conversation...

Classmate #1: To be part of true St. Petersburg society is a luxury afforded only to those who are born or marry into the royal lineage.
Classmate #2: Absolutely. I find it repugnant! Looks at us. We are gentleman, well educated…good looking (others chuckle) and yet barred from elite society. The autocracy has run its course.
Classmate #3: Yeah but what are we going to do about it?
Classmate #1: Nothing. That is the sad part. We make due with what we have and hope things just run their course.
Classmate #2: And we’ll probably be old men or dead by the time that happens.
Kerensky: Aren’t you all being a little overly dramatic
Classmate #3: I don’t think so…what are you getting at Kerensky?
Kerensky: Well take a long look at us and where we are sitting and having this discussion. We sit on the steps of one of the finest universities in he world. Sure we all worked hard to get here but we were also blessed with certain advantages. Yuri you are the son of a Russian general. Igor you said your father owned one of the most profitable factories in Western Russia…and Petr wasn’t it your grandfather who started the Russian ballet company that is now playing some of the most exclusive venues in the country? I on the other hand am the son of a headmaster turned director, the grandson of the head of the Topographical bureau and the great grandson of a wealthy merchant. Others have paved the way for us and it’s now up to us to reap the fruits of our own successes while taking responsibility for our failures.
Classmate #1: But what of others Kerensky who don’t get all of the brakes. Who will stand up for them?
Kerensky: That is up to men like us as well. But again I say look around you. For all of this talk about power and privilege I doubt whether higher education is so cheap and so generally accessible anywhere in the world as it is in Russia. Lecture fees are practically negligible. All laboratory experiments and practical work are essentially free. One can eat dinner for five to ten kopecks. Only the very poorest among us live in bad conditions and even they are able to at least survive.

The other students look at Kerensky with a sense of admiration and are nodding their heads in unison as the scene cuts away. Next scene shows Kerensky walking to class while a couple of friends rush to catch up with him…

Classmate #1: Alexander we haven’t seen you outside of class in three days.
Kerensky: Yes I apologize for that. Have been a little busy with studying and activities.
Classmate #2: You don’t slow down for anyone!
Classmate #1: We have been trying to get your attention because we wanted to invite you to a meeting tomorrow night.
Kerensky: What kind of meeting is that?
Classmate #2 (chuckling): The secret kind!
Classmate #1: You know of the Marxist establishment and the People’s Party, yes?
Kerensky: I think the latter of the two is technically know as the Narodniki organization.
Classmate #1: That’s right, well they are meeting tonight and engaging in friendly debate. I know you don’t have much interest in politics but there are others who wish you to attend.
Kerensky: Others?
Classmate #2: You’re one of the top members of our class and your oratory and debating skills are well known throughout the student body Alexander.
Classmate #1: You don’t need to commit to anything but there are many including Petr and I who would like to see you attend...if just this once.
Classmate #2: Here is a leaflet with some information. Please do not show this to anyone as the meetings are secret. If the school or police got word of this…well…you know!
Kerensky (looking at the leaflet unenthusiastically): I’ll see if I can make it.
Classmate #1: Please give it strong consideration. It would be a favor to us and no one expects anything other than for you to come and listen.

Scene cuts to the meeting two nights later. Kerensky is listening intently to the impassioned voices of would-be revolutionaries as they condemn the autocracy and argue over the most effective way to govern...

Marxist representative: It would be foolish of us to get ahead of ourselves but Russians will never be truly free until the autocracy is crushed once and for all.
Narodniki representative: An end to the reign of Tsar’s is something we all wish to see but the trouble with you Marxists is that you're radical and would preach violent overthrow over peaceful reconciliation.
Marxist representative: Marxist do not seek violence. They only accept it as a means of last resort. We are the one’s pressing for real change while the so called “Party of the People” drag their feet.
Narodniki representative: We both wish many of the same things. We are faithful to the ideals of liberalism and social justice. But we members of the Narodniki believe that revolution can be effective only when it solves Russian problems with Russian solutions. Karl Marx is a German and therefore not relatable to our culture and the deeply rooted issues that are Russian.
Marxist representative: Karl Marx is a visionary who transcends country and cultural origin. This is what makes us different from other left wing fringe radicals and why we will ultimately succeed. Revolution is often messy and that which will inevitably take place in Russia one day will be of no exception. But the choice is between ultimate success as a member of the Marxist movement or failure with the more passive approach of the Narodniki.
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« Reply #416 on: July 10, 2012, 12:47:34 AM »
Scene cuts away quickly and we catch up with Kerensky a few months leader now speaking about politics and social issues to a large gathering of the student body...

Kerensky: What kind of Russia do we choose to live in and to pass along to our children and our children’s children? The autocracy that has ruled ably for centuries is nearing an end. It is simply unable to cope with the radical changes in Russian society. It is suffering from atrophy. The ruling class is completely disconnected from the masses who each day are becoming better educated and more willing to fight for self determination…but whereas Russia was not built in a day it would be foolish of us to try and tear down the political system and social apparatus as quickly. The Tsar must be willing to adapt to change and one day, very soon, adopt a constitution. Otherwise he will risk losing his throne and subject his country to a bloody civil war the likes of which have never been seen.

Scene fades out with Kerensky speaking and receiving the applause of the student body. Next scene shows Kerensky standing before the Dean of Students who has just informed him that he is to receive a partial suspension for his outspoken comments in public and on the University campus...

Dean: Kerensky I hear from your professors that you are quite gifted and driven. They expect that you will receive a law degree and graduate at or near the top of your class. With this in mind I ask you why you’d be willing to risk the rewards of your hard work in order to spout off some wild ideas to a bunch of your fellow students?
Kerensky: I believe I speak for them sir. They are looking for a leader. Someone to stand by his convictions…and their’s
Dean: Yes we surely have a campus full of young men with radical intentions. Let me tell you that I have some experience at this. Those feeling fade over time. They are the product of youthful vigor but that fire burns itself out once young men like yourself move on in life and begin their own lives…careers, families and so on.
Kerensky: Due respect sir but what is happening right now is not limited to the campus of our University but a movement slowly taking over Russia. I’m not a radical sir. But there are things I believe in and wish to speak out against.
Dean: I see. Well my decision is final and perhaps your time away will give you the opportunity to consider your future. I understand you are to graduate in the spring and that you have a lovely fiancé…a general’s daughter no less…that you mean to marry in summer.
Kerensky: Yes sir I do.
Dean. Well then. Lets see if we can move past this. It would be a pity to see the talents of such a prized individual wasted…what sort of law do you plan on practicing by the way?
Kerensky: I wish to become a political lawyer and defend the rights of individuals against their government.
Dean (stares at Kerensky, miffed): That will be all.

Kerensky leaves the room and the scene cuts away. We catch up with him once more about a year and a half later in 1905. It’s Easter Sunday and the traditional midnight ceremonies in St. Petersburg have just ended. Kerensky drops off his wife telling her of some paperwork that he needs to retrieve from the office. He decides to take the long route and soak in the nice weather of the early morning hours. As he was preparing to cross a bridge near the Winter Palace he is suddenly stopped by two guards…

Guard #1: What business do you have here?
Kerensky: Forgive me gentleman I simply am crossing to get to my office on the other side of the river.
Guard #2: At 4 o’clock in the morning?
Kerensky: Yes I know it seems strange but I just left off my wife at our home. Her and I were attending the festivities you see and the evening got pushed back some. There are a few documents I was looking to retrieve.
Guard #1: Documents?
Kerensky: Yes I’m a lawyer and thought I would spend some of the holiday tomorrow working on my case.

The two guards take a long look at each other and back at Kerensky before informing him of the following…

Guard #2: Well you can’t cross here and I’d suggest that you put off your work until later in the day.
Kerensky: Well...if you insist.
Guard #1: Yes we do, we will escort you home now sir.

Kerensky, mildly put out by his run in with the imperial guard turns to walk away when he catches a glimpse of a man out of the corner of his eye. It’s Tsar Nicholas who enters the overhanging balcony in the early hours of the morning. He is puffing on a cigarette and appears to be in deep thought...

Kerensky (mumbling to himself): The Tsar.
Guard #2 (also noticing the Tsar has appeared): Move along now, you aren’t allowed to be here.
Kerensky (walking away, continues to mumble to himself): We should meet again someday your Imperial Majesty…somehow our paths will cross.

The camera focuses in again on Nicholas looking out on the city from his perch and the scene fades out...
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« Reply #417 on: July 10, 2012, 06:29:44 PM »
Historical stuff for edubs31 #383 the Russian anti-jews laws were a major dispute between the US and Russian goverments pre WW I and resulted in President Taft having the Senate void the 1832 treaty in 1911. Note: President Tafts father had been US minister to the Russian court 1886-7 and had protested these laws and other anti-semtic actions by them. The last two US ministers/ambassadors to Imperial Russia George T Marye and David m Francis were mainly there to renegociate a trade treaty between the two countries. They didn't have any luck because they wanted the Russian goverment to drop it's anti-sematic laws in return. There is a book on this subject that I read a long time ago. i am not 100% sure of all this. This helps explain why Nicholas II in late 1916 agreed to doing away with these laws which were going to brought up at the next session of the Duma in 1917. However, the revolution broke out before this happened. French ambassator Paleologue I believe mentions this in his memiors. Also note with the Russian economy in a mess at this time to put it mildly. The Russians needed loans from US banks and new trading partners badly. This is my take on this issue. I hope it is of some help.
Alexandra and the mean girls. Alexandra showed her maids how to black lead the grates according to LDR no doubt it raised alot of eyebrows and caused some sarcastic comments. From N&A Alexandra's ultra relgious actions caused her to reguarded as a crank . Her attemts to organize a handiwork society to knit garments for the poor went nowhere. She didn't understand the intricate rankings at court made errors and offended people ( I think that was a really big deal back then no doubt some people never forgave her for this). Then Alexandra was shocked by the loose behavior at court and started crossing names off lists which also offended alot of people. Then there is the story that Alexandra spoted a lady dancing whose decolletage she considered to low. A lady in waiting was sent to tell the offender "Madame Her Majesty wants me to tell you that in Hesse Darmstadt we don't wear our dresses that way." "Really?" the young woman is said to have replyed at the same time pulling the front of her dress down still lower. "Pray tell her majesty that in Russia we do wear our dresses this way."

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« Reply #418 on: July 10, 2012, 06:40:22 PM »
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« Reply #419 on: July 10, 2012, 07:42:38 PM »
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Historical stuff for edubs31 #383 the Russian anti-jews laws were a major dispute between the US and Russian goverments pre WW I and resulted in President Taft having the Senate void the 1832 treaty in 1911. Note: President Tafts father had been US minister to the Russian court 1886-7 and had protested these laws and other anti-semtic actions by them. The last two US ministers/ambassadors to Imperial Russia George T Marye and David m Francis were mainly there to renegociate a trade treaty between the two countries. They didn't have any luck because they wanted the Russian goverment to drop it's anti-sematic laws in return. There is a book on this subject that I read a long time ago. i am not 100% sure of all this.

Thanks for providing me with some clarity on this. It helps better explain why President Roosevelt made a specific point in writing Witte to mention antisemitism...as though lobbying the Tsar indirectly through a man he figured had Nicholas's ear. The antisemitism theme will sadly have to play a considerable role in this story. But there are differing opinions I've heard on the topic regarding how much or little it fueled the revolutionaries themselves. Whether they truly used it as revenge or cared relatively little. Many of them were said to be Jewish, or partially Jewish in little more than ethnic heritage and did not practice the religion nor subscribe the "culture". Still, if you've been reading along you'll notice that I touched on this in the scene constructed between Nicholas and Sergei Alexandrovich where he hands his Tsar nephew "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Also a little on the relationship between Pobedonostsev and Nicholas and I'll probably think up a flashback scene with him discussing Jewish issues with Alexander III whose reign he was far more prevalent in. I'd like to be able to incorporate some of his rather famous and chilling quotes such as, "one third will emigrate, one third will to die, and one third will be converted."

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This helps explain why Nicholas II in late 1916 agreed to doing away with these laws which were going to brought up at the next session of the Duma in 1917. However, the revolution broke out before this happened. French ambassator Paleologue I believe mentions this in his memiors. Also note with the Russian economy in a mess at this time to put it mildly. The Russians needed loans from US banks and new trading partners badly. This is my take on this issue. I hope it is of some help.

Very helpful, thank you, and I'll definitely keep this information on hand once I work up to the revolution. For now I'm circling around the 1897-1903/4 period, roughly. There is such an incredible amount of information on the events of 1914-18 and earlier between 1904-06 that I need to sift through and getting feedback and some direction like this helps a lot.

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Alexandra and the mean girls. Alexandra showed her maids how to black lead the grates according to LDR no doubt it raised alot of eyebrows and caused some sarcastic comments. From N&A Alexandra's ultra relgious actions caused her to reguarded as a crank . Her attemts to organize a handiwork society to knit garments for the poor went nowhere. She didn't understand the intricate rankings at court made errors and offended people ( I think that was a really big deal back then no doubt some people never forgave her for this). Then Alexandra was shocked by the loose behavior at court and started crossing names off lists which also offended alot of people.

No doubt Alexandra, the Court and St. Petersburg high society in general were a match made in hell! I blame all three sides really for being so out of touch on multiple levels.

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Then there is the story that Alexandra spoted a lady dancing whose decolletage she considered to low. A lady in waiting was sent to tell the offender "Madame Her Majesty wants me to tell you that in Hesse Darmstadt we don't wear our dresses that way." "Really?" the young woman is said to have replyed at the same time pulling the front of her dress down still lower. "Pray tell her majesty that in Russia we do wear our dresses this way."

Haha, yeah I've heard this one before too. This will have to get mentioned in the story...just too good not to! I'm sure I'll stumble upon it again in my readings but do you know when and where this took place exactly? I could build an entire scene around this, not unlike the Maria Pavolvna (elder) one I did earlier. Something to show the widening disconnect between Alexandra and the rest of society we were just discussing...

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Excellent Kerensky scenes.

Thanks again Tim! Sorry I can't fill the role of "writing partner" you've been looking for. As you can see I'm keeping quite busy at the moment. Sometime in the future though :-)
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