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« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2012, 01:56:19 AM »
Might it be possible to open the film with a shot of how the place of execution and/or surrounding looks today-am I correct in thinking that a church has been built there-before going back to the night when the atrocities occured?

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« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2012, 08:57:21 AM »
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Might it be possible to open the film with a shot of how the place of execution and/or surrounding looks today-am I correct in thinking that a church has been built there-before going back to the night when the atrocities occured?

You're talking about the Church on Blood/All Saints I presume? I like the idea but think that this kind of scene might work better at the end of the film. For a little sympathetic flair show the Ipatiev House being torn down and fade the scene into the beautiful church that now stands on the grounds, tourists roaming about, people worshipping, etc. Probably the procession of 50,000+ who gather there each year on the anniversary to pay homage would work best...very emotional and fitting!

Interesting,.   I would go along with the  walk down the stairs,  but, flash back to the beginning of the story before the executions. Some suspense should remain to keep interest. Such as "what led up to this?" Like, contrast that walk to another scene where they are walking  up or down some grand palace staircase in formal dress. If the murders were shown first, that might be the end of the story before it had a chance to be told. The technique has been used before to mixed reaction.

Yeah this is a good call, and I agree with you that it would work. I like your vision of the walk down the stairs toward the cellar suddenly flashing back to the palace staircase where they attend a ball or an important state function from a few years earlier...in full formal dress like you said. We don't see them enter the cellar circa-1918 until the last episode of the series. The suspense angle is probably important too as you mentioned, my only minor objection (and perhaps this is just coming from a devoted fan, so feel free to disregard) is that you're putting the audience through this traumatic sequence twice. Furthermore if you don't show the actual murders at the beginning of the series, as I suggested, then you are naturally compelled to show them towards the end. This adds to the growing anxiety as we work our way through the series, and I can definitely see a lot of people saying something along the lines of "this is a really good series, but I'm not sure I want to stay with it because we know how it ends and it's all so sad...".

One last thought to leave you with...is there to effectively merge both (Robert & mine) concepts for the death scene at the end? My idea is to show them awakened in the middle of the night (7/17/18) and getting dressed for the last time...it then cuts away periodically to N&A and the GDs putting on their fancy attire in preparation for a formal event a few years prior. As they make the walk down to the cellar of the Ipatiev House the scene is interspersed with images (Robert's idea) of them making their way down a palace staircase. No voices or sound other than music playing. We then see them enter the cellar and take their places all the while we are cutting away to them entering a hall before smiles & gazes of family/friends/admirers. The slowly building classical score then reaches it crescendo during both the brutal images of the murders and the "flashbacks" of the dancing, laughing and joyous splendor at the ball/party.

I think this sort of thing provides a nice touch. Eases the shock certainly by drawing some of the attention away from the murder scene all the while offering up an honest portrayal of it. Thoughts?
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« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2012, 09:21:00 AM »
I think that in many ways the ending of Titanic and N&A the series have much in common.  Everyone already knows how it is going to end. A lot of wisecracking people said they weren't going to see Titanic because "they knew how it ended". If I hadn't been interested in the special effects and the computer graphics of Titanic, I probably wouldn't have gone either. Another Titanic "love story" wasn't my idea of a good movie.

I like the idea of flashing back from Ipative House, but remember that the last "royal ball or party" was more than four years before and there are still those who forget that the GD were not "out" in society at that time and would not have been on display at a royal function to flash back to.

Even if you went back to the 300th Romanov Reign Celebrations in 1913 the GD would have been 18, 16, 14, 12 and Alexei would have been 9.
Not quite the same as 22, 20, 18, 16 and 13.

And remember the GD (except to those who are obsessed with them) are to be "wallpaper" in this series. The whole thing was to be an explanation of the fall of the House of Romanov and that has much more to do with Nicholas, Alexandra, Rasputin and the rest of the Imperial Family and their foibles.

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« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2012, 09:48:23 AM »
Hi,

All the Grand Duchesses and Alexei were present at a procession at the Tercentenary in the Kremlin in Moscow.  I've seen film of itmany times.  Everyone is in afternoon dress (not evening clothes or court gowns) with large hats....  They are parading down the Red Staircase out of the Facet Palace and across the square into one of the churches....
This could be used as a 'throw-back image(s)'...

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« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2012, 10:44:23 AM »
I think that in many ways the ending of Titanic and N&A the series have much in common.  Everyone already knows how it is going to end. A lot of wisecracking people said they weren't going to see Titanic because "they knew how it ended".




A friend was queueing to see "Titanic" as the previous audience were exiting. She asked a group of young, rather emotional people, what they had thought of the film and was told "It was amazing. It really did sink, you know." That statement may seem ludicrous to those of us who DO know, but how many people are there who do NOT know about what happened in a building known as Impatiev House in the little known town of Ekaterinberg located in the far reaches of Russia in the early part of the 20th century?

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« Reply #95 on: March 31, 2012, 11:01:10 AM »
As Titanic  is being discussed,   I understand in the new ITV series, it sinks 4 times as each episode focuses on a different set of characters.  I have not seen it yet so I am going by only what I have read on the BBC. I do not think this would work with the Romanovs, howeve as they are identified so much as a family unit. As for  formal balls,  did  not the Dowager Empress have a coming out ball for Olga ?  And perhaps Tatiana was there as well.
  The church scene I would not do. It has been done before in another film, [again, I cannot access my library for now so some of you know which film I am talking about. We need new modern techniques to attract new audience.
 The Tercentenary scene  could work  well though, in the format I presented. combined with edubs' idea.

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« Reply #96 on: March 31, 2012, 11:22:09 AM »
Alixz) Perhaps this is one of those times where the artist license is acceptable. We could easily enough piece together a somewhat fictional ball scene using actual depictions. Especially if it follows my vision of no audible dialogue, just music. As far as GD "wallpaper" is concerned I agree that we need to be careful not to veer too far off path and keep the focus primarily on N&A. But this shouldn't just be a story about the fall of an empire. It should take an honest look at the private lives of the family...examples of love, affection & dedication mixed in with their shortcomings (particularly Alexandra) as individuals and parents and some of the psychological effects that had on their children and those around. Certainly Alexei needs to play a key supporting role in this...his illness alone as we all know inadvertently opened the door to the downfall of a dynasty.

Feodorovna) That's a good point. But I think the difference here is that we are talking about a 12-hour mini-series stretched over the course of six weeks as opposed to a 2-3 hour feature film that can be viewed in a single sitting. People are far more likely to come into a film like Titanic with little working knowledge and simply asked to be entertained. For a major miniseries however the same uneducated crown who knows little but gets hooked after the first episode also has a week in between to take some time and look up the historical events. If you do elect to show the murder scene and other events chronologically, by the last episode of the series I don't think there will be much suspense of what is about to take place...
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« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2012, 11:46:36 AM »
Artist license is a must in making a film.  For instance,  a ball scene could be a composite of several events. Another  could be the yacht scenes. There were many of those, they could be combined as well.  Even with 12 hours, we could  not possibly include every moment of every day of their lives, could we ? I think here, the idea is a new look at an old topic. That is the only thing that would sell it.

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« Reply #98 on: March 31, 2012, 12:20:35 PM »
Or we could just blame Alexei's haemophilia on blood sucking Vampires dressed as Rasputin, Lenin, Trotsky, etc. Then we could turn Olga into an action hero and watch as she hunts them down! That would sell, right? :-)
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« Reply #99 on: March 31, 2012, 12:47:36 PM »
What an awful idea, edubs.
 Alexei is a pivotal character, of course.
 By "selling it" I meant to get backers to pay to produce this thing. If someone wants a teenage bloodsucking "Nightmare" movie, they are on their own. I would have no part of that sort of thing.

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« Reply #100 on: March 31, 2012, 02:08:52 PM »
Artist license is a must in making a film.

Absolutely right, Robert. However, how do you see the characters being portrayed? I would like to see what Meryl Streep would do with Alexandra, because IMO she has the ability to become that person. I may not agree with her portrayal but I'm certain I would enjoy her performance.
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« Reply #101 on: March 31, 2012, 02:17:45 PM »
It would depend on what she would be given to work with, I imagine Feo.
  She could be almost anything with her virtuosity.  Devil Wears Prada comes to mind. But that is just my imagination. Based on my view of Alexandra.
  Nicholas anyone ? The Dowager , Dame  Mirren or  another of that stature. If anyone suggest Justin Berber [or whatever his name is] I am out of here.
 

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« Reply #102 on: March 31, 2012, 03:19:33 PM »
No, no, no, not Meryl Streep! She's such a cliche' ...

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« Reply #103 on: March 31, 2012, 03:25:17 PM »
I'll allow, though, that she might be good as Aunt Miechen. Helen Mirren would make a great Dowager Empress. All I know about Nicholas is that I would like someone short to medium in height, with a slight build, like Nicholas himself had. Charles Kay in FOE was just right physically, IMHO.

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« Reply #104 on: March 31, 2012, 03:39:22 PM »
Robert I hope it at least crossed your mind when I brought up vampires & Olga with superhero powers that I might have been completely sarcastic! lol

I'm a big Streep fan and Helen Mirren could surely pull off the Dowager Empress...for Nicholas I was thinking Daniel Day Lewis, anyone? The way he looked in "There Will Be Blood" could easily be translated to a Russian Tsar, no?

Two problems I see...first off Lewis is already porting Abraham Lincoln in the much anticipated "Lincoln" film to be released later this year and I'm not sure that type historical character roles like these wouldn't run the risk if type casting him. Also, this project we are talking about wouldn't get off the ground probably for a few more years (we had talked about it coinciding with the 100th anniversaries of the Revolutions or murders (2017/18). In the meantime these are already older actors that are just going to keep aging. That would be so bad for Mirren's role but Streep as Alexandra in a few years? Daniel Day Lewis (who will be 60 in 2017) as Nicholas?

I know they can pull off some wonders with lightning and makeup but this might be stretching things a little...
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