Author Topic: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family  (Read 97516 times)

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Carl Eduard, duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, deserved no sympathy at all. He did not deserve any then, and he does not deserve any now. Neither does his wife.

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He grew up without a father, he was forced to leave the home he knew to govern a German duchy.  I think he deserves some sympathy for his early life, not his later one.

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Prince Leopold Charles Edward George Albert



Arriving in Coburg upon the death of Duke Alfred

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In Scottish regalia



In German uniform

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In the late 20s/early 30s:



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He grew up without a father, he was forced to leave the home he knew to govern a German duchy.  I think he deserves some sympathy for his early life, not his later one.

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Yes that fact, his rather narrow education and his not abundant common sense led him (like millions of other germans in various degrees....none praiseworthy,few worthy of more scorn than his role) into supporting the Nazi's who they (VERY MISGUIDEDLY) thought could restore Germany after the humiliation of WW1 and its aftermath....Charlie was not unique,certainly not good and he was no better to die in sad circumstances than millions of others did in those years..but I still feel sympathy for him in MANY WAYS..if he had not been catapulted into that role BY DEFAULT..he like the Connaughts and his brother in law Lord Athlone..might have been  a respected British army man,Govenor etc..a pillar of  British establishment.Fate started him onto another eventually darker path...

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Fate? Fate made him Duke of SCG, but it was his own bad decisions and evil inclinations that set him on the darker path. He doesn't deserve any sympathy, no Nazi does who really believed in Nazism.  >:(
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I agree with Ashdean and Duke of NJ that CE deserves a bit of a break. He, like so many others, are pitiful examples of one of totalitarianism's worst crime, that of forcing or brainwashing the population into following an agenda filled with lies and misrepresentations. CE did join onto the veritable band wagon of national socialism (as had Kennedy, Lindbergh, and other notables who were not even German) and tried to engage a peaceful relationship  between both his nations of family roots. In trying to create a treaty with England, it seems to show his original intentions for peace and solidarity. It also strikes me that his having been de-titled and essentially thrown out of the family during WWI (after the family essentially forced him to go to Germany in the first place) and then, with hat in hand, seeking reconciliation, he must have had a greater good in mind prior to the outbreak of hostilies, after which no one had any choices left.
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For once I have to disagree with my good friend HerrKaiser.  :)

What sets CE apart from some of the other Germans, in my opinion, was the willing part he played in spreading the Nazi propaganda--even when much of their intentions were cleared. The courts at Nuremberg wanted to classify him as a high-ranking and influential Nazi due to much of his activities (including what appeared to be war crimes in his position as head of the Red Cross) but it was overturned by an appeals court which gave him a medium-ranking. It was important enough that the Allies appealed this 2 or 3 times to have him re-classified. He wasn't brainwashed to me--he went along willingly and helped facilitate the machine that DID the brain-washing.
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Of course he still had opportunities and choices once the war started - and he always seemed to choose the evil route. He doesn't deserve any sympathy, only the slightest amount of understanding because he was rather stupid - but he knew what was going on and he supported it, which is of course unforgivable.

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For once I have to disagree with my good friend HerrKaiser.  :)

What sets CE apart from some of the other Germans, in my opinion, was the willing part he played in spreading the Nazi propaganda--even when much of their intentions were cleared. The courts at Nuremberg wanted to classify him as a high-ranking and influential Nazi due to much of his activities (including what appeared to be war crimes in his position as head of the Red Cross) but it was overturned by an appeals court which gave him a medium-ranking. It was important enough that the Allies appealed this 2 or 3 times to have him re-classified. He wasn't brainwashed to me--he went along willingly and helped facilitate the machine that DID the brain-washing.

ah ha, I didn't know that part and appreciate the information to correct my view. thank you, and apologies for giving him some slack he doesn't deserve. Did he ever write a biography or memoir that explains what he was thinking? or have any of his heirs done so?
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Politics  and personal mistakes aside. I sugest you should take a look at the pictures  of CE on this thread and compare them to the ones of his great-grand daughter Princess Madeleine of Sweden, which you can find on another thread. Some genes are strong!

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Perhaps reading "The Princes and the Reich" by Petropoulos would give more insight for you all, about Charles Edward.
He doesn't paint a good picture of him at all,,
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Politics  and personal mistakes aside. I sugest you should take a look at the pictures  of CE on this thread and compare them to the ones of his great-grand daughter Princess Madeleine of Sweden, which you can find on another thread. Some genes are strong!

I can only see the most pale of resemblances, personally.

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I think the Coburg genes do dominate with Madeleine though. There are photos of her mother, Sybilla, that really show a resemblance--my opinion, as these things are subjective.  :)
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