Author Topic: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family  (Read 98213 times)

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Martin

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Princess Sybilla was Princess Madeleine's grand-mother, whom Princess Madeleine never met unfortunately. But  Madeleine looks very much like her grand-mother too.

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I have checked and mr Petropoulos book "The princes and the reich" is not available in Swedish (my first language). However, I found out that the English version is available through a Swedish internet bookselling site, and now I have ordered it and am eagerly waiting for it. I doubt that it will be translated to Swedish. Reading a book like this in a language which is not my first, will be quite a challenge for me, but I am hoping my poor English will benefit from the practice! :) I did not know about this book at all, so thank you, Iskenderbey, for mentioning it.

Carl Eduard of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was a despicable little man. He grew up without a father? Well, poor him. I am sure he had a large, loving family to guide him anyway. He and his fellow nazi trash made sure that thousands of children had to grow up without a father (including my mother!) and even without any family at all.

He was the head of the German Red cross, and the German Red cross was ruled by the nazis. When cars from the German Red cross arrived at concentration camps the poor people held prisoned there tried to hide as well as they could, as they knew only too well that being transported by the German Red Cross did not mean one was saved - in contrary, it meant transport to a death camp or similar. Nobody can convince me that the head of the German Red cross, duke Carl Eduard of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, did not know anything about this. Maybe he was stupid, but not that stupid.

This is my few pennies on Carl Eduard and his great granddaughter princess Madeleine. I can see a very slight resemblance. Let us hope, for Madeleine's sake, that those are the only genes she has inherited from the duke.

The resemblance between Carl Eduard and his embittered daughter Sibylla is rather striking, though.

« Last Edit: April 06, 2007, 08:07:33 AM by Rebecca »

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So sorry for the loss of your grandfather, Rebecca.  :'( How traumatic for your mother. I think sometimes those real-life, 'regular' people affected by the Nazis gets lost in some of the roya Nazi apologia. Many were taken in, sure, but there was a LOT that was extremely distasteful that was known from the very beginning on. Just because some didn't sign on to the 'final solution' doesn't mean they didn't at least look the other way at the early anti-Semitism and bigotry that was espoused. While it doesn't make all the royals who were active members of the party evil, in my eyes, it irreparably taints them nonetheless. I save my admiration for those like the various members of the Saxony and Bavarian royal families, amongst others, who were against them from the start--despite those saying it was in the royal best interest to support them.

Anyway, not to go too far off-topic--there is a 9-page thread on royals & Nazis that has a good bit of info on the Petropoulos book.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,4071.0.html
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Thank you, Granduchessella, for your kind words, and I could not agree more with what you say. :) I also save my admiration or people who were against nazism and its sick and disgusting ideology (if ideology even is the word for the insane and nauseous and not least evil things which form nazism) from the start. I have always found the excuse "Oh, we thought it was good at first, that it might restore the German glory" etc etc both repulsive and coward. It is an excuse which does not hold even for the slightest scrutiny.

Thank you also for the link to the thread on mr Petropoulos book. Now I am waiting even more eagerly to receive the book. :)


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Thank you, Granduchessella, for your kind words, and I could not agree more with what you say. :) I also save my admiration or people who were against nazism and its sick and disgusting ideology (if ideology even is the word for the insane and nauseous and not least evil things which form nazism) from the start. I have always found the excuse "Oh, we thought it was good at first, that it might restore the German glory" etc etc both repulsive and coward. It is an excuse which does not hold even for the slightest scrutiny.

Thank you also for the link to the thread on mr Petropoulos book. Now I am waiting even more eagerly to receive the book. :)



Dear Rebecca,

While we all can use personal family anecdotes and personal biases to discredit and rave against certain ideologies/history/etc, I would kindly advise you to please hold off making your final judgment on the Royals who were involved with the Nazis until reading this book.  It is a a really good book that is quite balanced, and doesn't simply say that they were Nazis and leave it at that, it goes behind the psychological reasons for their joining the Nazis and the situation in Germany up to and including the Nazi period. Not to mention the fact that most princes were dismissed from the Nazis scrolls and hunted down in 1943, thus excluding them from, amongst many things, the year in which the Nazi regime became its most brutal until liberation in 1945.

King regards and best wishes,

Iskenderbey


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Dear Rebecca,

While we all can use personal family anecdotes and personal biases to discredit and rave against certain ideologies/history/etc, I would kindly advise you to please hold off making your final judgment on the Royals who were involved with the Nazis until reading this book.  It is a a really good book that is quite balanced, and doesn't simply say that they were Nazis and leave it at that, it goes behind the psychological reasons for their joining the Nazis and the situation in Germany up to and including the Nazi period. Not to mention the fact that most princes were dismissed from the Nazis scrolls and hunted down in 1943, thus excluding them from, amongst many things, the year in which the Nazi regime became its most brutal until liberation in 1945.

King regards and best wishes,

Iskenderbey






Dear Iskenderbey,

I received the book a few days ago, and I have begun to read it. It will take me a longer time reading it than it normally takes me reading a book, since this one is not in my first language, and I have to use a dictionary now and then. However, it seems to be a very good and sensible book.

However (again), reading it will probably not change my views on duke Carl Eduard of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, by two main reasons: 1) He is not mentioned very much in the book and I have already looked up every page with information on him. 2) My opinion on him is based on what I already knew about him, from other sources, and the facts in this book does not add much to what I already knew about him.

I certainly do not when informed that somebody was a member of the nazi party automatically view this person as an evil person. It is not that simple. But my opinion on nazism remains that it was (and still is) a disgusting, insane and sick ideology. I knew far too little about Philipp and Christoph von Hessen to begin with to pass any final judgement on them, and I cannot see that I have done that. On the other hand, I do not accept the excuse used by many ex-nazis - not necessarily royals -  ("Oh, we thought it was good at first and would restore Germany to it's former glory") because the insanity and sickness in the nazi ideology was fully evident long before the war broke out and the massmurderings started.


Best wishes,
Rebecca

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Rebecca - ani hadash. Mederberet ivrit?
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Maybe Petropoulos was trying to spend more time on not-so-well-known royals associated with the nazi regime rather than the more well-documented Karl Eduard's story.


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I just noticed for the thread heading it says "Coubug."  I guess you know how good I am at typing! 

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Schalom Tdora1!

Tzar li, ani medaberet rak milim achadot.  :-\
I know only a little, which my father taught me, or rather tried to teach me, and I guess I was not paying much attention.  :-[

Rebecca

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Maybe Petropoulos was trying to spend more time on not-so-well-known royals associated with the nazi regime rather than the more well-documented Karl Eduard's story.





Probably so. Anyway, it is a very good book!

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Is that Swedish?  I have always found languages interesting, too bad I can't learn new ones. 

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Rebecca

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Is that Swedish?  I have always found languages interesting, too bad I can't learn new ones. 

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No, it is Hebrew.

Svenska ser ut så här. (Swedish looks like this.) :)

Maybe we should not go more off-topic...  :-[


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Ken, Rebecca:  dvash sheleha  ;D

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I guess I missed
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.  That should have been a clue.  It is still interesting though!  

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