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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #525 on: March 08, 2013, 10:38:38 AM »
The scene shifts back to the factory floor and several dozen armed guards descending upon the mass of workers. Some, including the three representatives and their two riled up friends, are shown being detained and taken away. Thousand of workers are then roughly ordered out of the factory and into the city streets of Moscow. Some bewildered and silent stand around and mumble to one another. Others dejected sit down on the curb side doing their very best to enjoy a rare break from the job. Still others shout angrily in the direction of their hostile supervisors and guards, and the owners and managers who they work for. Shouts of "cowards", "Blood suckers" and "capitalist scum" can be heard from the angry portion of the crowd. The scene then fades out and cuts away...

The scene picks up in the town of Turukhansk where Joseph Stalin is languishing in Siberian exile. We see the eventual leader of the Soviet state curled up on a cot half asleep with his face turned to a wall. A half consumed bottle of vodka is shown on top of a nearby table, and he has grown a messy unkempt beard and generally looks disheveled. His dog is shown licking off a plate of unfinished food that randomly has been placed onto a chair. Moments later a knock on the door rouses Stalin, much to his annoyance...

Stalin (hearing the knocking): Come in.

Walking into the door and placing his coat on the back of a chair is fellow socialist revolutionary Yakov Sverdlov. Stalin then rolls over to greet him...

Sverdlov: Hello my friend.
Stalin (after a pause): Sverdlov?
Sverdlov: Were you expecting someone else?
Stalin: No. I was not even expecting you.
Sverdlov: Well I hate to impose, but how soon you have forgotten our conversation from just the other day. (seating himself) I told you I would be arriving around noon today...are you just waking up?
Stalin: I was trying to sleep. Call it a midday nap. I sleep very little at night.
Sverdlov: Well I'm sorry to hear that.
Stalin: Not as sorry as I am.
Sverdlov: How are you, other than in need of a good night's sleep?
Stalin (pausing while still lying on his back): How do I look?
Sverdlov: I've seen you looking better. But for Siberian exile...not bad.
Stalin (smiling): You haven't changed much.
Sverdlov: I am lucky. I try to eat well, get fresh air, and above all keep my spirits up.
Stalin (lifting himself up into a regular seated position): Lenin, Zinoviev, Trotsky...all the leaders are in exile. Even the one's I do not care for. I wonder how they look? Much older now I would assume.
Sverdlov: Probably.
Stalin: Of course they are not here. No. This place ages a man in incredible ways. It breaks the spirit.
Sverdlov: Siberia has but one month of summer, two months of spring, two months of autumn, and seven months of winter. Four of which are harsh beyond anything felt in Moscow or St. Petersburg...but at least it's quiet.
Stalin: I'm not a man accustomed to quiet and the comforts of home.
Sverdlov: Nor am I. Men like you and I need turbulent activity. An outlet for our energies. It is the pulse that keeps us alive.
Stalin (lighting up a cigarette and petting his dog that walks over and sits next to him): The pulse of the revolution seems bound to die before mine. We revolutionaries are long forgotten. Even the liberals of Russia no longer sees us as leaders, but trouble makers. They are fools of course.
Sverdlov: Yes they are. Bickering fools. The toothless Duma continues to argue and accomplishes nothing. The Tsar is as powerful now as he has been since the war with Japan began.
Stalin: Yes. And it's only war...a long and brutal one, that can topple the regime and silence the Duma. Revolution can not start a war under the current conditions. But a war could spark a revolution.
Sverdlov: A dangerous game we Bolsheviks play. Lenin, Gorky, Trotsky and others. They all denounce war based on ideological principles. Sending Russians to their graves to die for the Monarchs and capitalists is hardly the path to revolution any of us would prefer.
Stalin: You can all decide the path for yourselves. It is the direction that matters. Lenin will criticize a war, and so too will that snake Trotsky publicly. But deep down they know that a Russia in chaos is precisely what we need. Only the Bolsheviks will be well enough equipped to reign in the chaos and lead the masses then.
Sverdlov: All there is to do now is to wait. Tolstoy was right. "The two most powerful warriors are patience and time."
Stalin: He never met the two of us.
Sverdlov (smiling): No.
Stalin (after a pause and grabbing his bottle of vodka): How about a drink, and then some tea.
Sverdlov: A drink would be good, yes.

Stalin gets up from his cot and is shown walking across the room, presumably to grab two shot glasses and boil a pot for tea. The camera then fades out and cuts away...
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #526 on: March 08, 2013, 10:38:47 AM »
We pick up once more now inside of Tauride Palace and the Duma which is in session. The scene begins as Socialist Revolutionary Party chairman and leader Viktor Chernov energetically addresses the body. Seated at the head of the Duma and focused in on are, among others, Prime Minister Ivan Goremykin, Chairman Mikhail Rodzianko, Deputy Chairman Alexander Protopopov, and Minister of the Interior Nikolai Maklakov. All, with the exception of the centrist minded Rodzianko, look on uncomfortably...

Chernov: We have reached the precipice gentleman. Workers continue to strike and those who are not organized to quickly enough are thrown out into the streets. They are treated, at best like unruly children in need of stern discipline, and at worst as slaves. Existing only to serve the production demands of their capitalist masters. What serfdom was to our peasants of the countryside, the industrial prisons known as factories are to the workers of the cities. (combination of cheers, booing and hissing can be heard throughout the body)
Goremykin: Are you finished now Mister Chernov?
Chernov: Not in the least Mister Prime Minister! The feeling of contempt displayed by the conservative majority onto the liberal parties of the chamber is mutual. But it is not our honor that we care to defend. It is the rights of the Russian people! To liberate them from the hostility impressed upon them by this government.
Maklakov: Muzzle that fool and his party comrades!
Rodzianko (among the shouting from both sides): Order, order! This is not a debate. Mister Chernov is permitted the time to finish.
Chernov: Thank you Chairman Rodzianko!...Gentleman I am not anarchist, or even a radical. I am a party builder and I seek to unite the liberal movements of Russia giving voice to the people. When I was a young man at the University of Moscow I constantly argued for the virtues of populism against Marxists. I have been arrested, incarcerated, and exiled. Yet here I stand before you. A member of the elected Duma. The parliamentary body founded several years ago to represent the people and the best interests of Russia.
Goremykin: Alright, it is time now to move on to other issues.
Chernov: Mister Prime Minister I was not finished.
Goremykin: You are now. I'm putting a stop to this!
Chernov: A stop to this? Are you dissolving my address just as the Tsar who appointed you dissolves his Dumas?
Maklakov: Enough! Go sit upstairs with your radical friends!
Chernov (glaring in the direction of Maklakov as the Duma explodes with shouts of anger): I will not!
Rodzianko (turning to Goremykin): Order the Rightists to lower their voices!
Goremykin (starring at Rodzianko before turning his attention back to Chernov who stands straight and faces front): You were given an order Mister Chairman.
Chernov: It is an order that is out of line and I will not follow it! I demand to be heard in full less you should have to remove me physically.
Goremykin (pausing momentarily): Very well. Guards!...remove Mister Chernov, the SR's and Kadets from the chamber.
Rodzianko (shouting): Goremykin!
Chernov: You Mister Prime Minister are an intolerable. A damned fool!
Goremykin (starring again at a pair of guards who have approached his bench): Immediately!

The pair of guards escorts Chernov out of the assembly hall as other are shown ordering out the Socialist Revolutionaries and Kadets. Their members file out orderly but boo the Prime Minister one by one as they are expelled from the chamber. The commotion continues throughout as Goremykin, now standing next to Interior Minister Maklakov and Deputy Chairman Protopopov, is glared at once more by Chairman Rodzianko. The camera then zooms out just as the scene begins to fade to black and cut away.
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #527 on: March 08, 2013, 03:42:20 PM »
All extremely good stuff, edubs. Well imagined , well written.

To the point that, in reply 514, did Nicholas  really dismiss Kokostsov from his ministry by  letter, as you have described it, or is this your scenario? In any case, that truly was Nicholas' way intoo many instances, shying away from the personally uncomfortable tasks of offending, hurting, or delivering bad news to almost anyone,  even when it was necessary and served a greater good.

Likewise kudos to you, James, who may be the best advisor on military matters as war looms in 1914.
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #528 on: March 08, 2013, 06:33:12 PM »
June, 1914 - Pokrovskoe

Our next scene focuses in on the attempted assassination of Grigory Rasputin. We begin with Sergei Trufanov, the man now formerly known as the Monk Iliodor, seated next to and having a meal with a friend and confidant. Between fork fulls of food and sips of wine Tufanov describes to his friend, Vladimir, the plot to eliminate Rasputin once and for all...

Trufanov: How do you like the Shchi?
Vladimir: Oh it is quite good thank you.
Trufanov: Nadya always prepares a good bowl.
Vladimir: Yes, well extent my compliments to the chef.
Trufanov (leaning back and taking a sip of wine): You eat quickly.
Vladimir (nervous grin): Only when I'm anxious.
Trufanov: Anxious?
Vladimir: To listen to what it is you've brought me hear to discuss.
Trufanov: Can't I simply invite over a friend to share a good meal with?
Vladimir: Of course you can Father but I...
Trufanov (interrupting): Please, please. Vladimir, we are friends. And even if we weren't I am no longer an Orthodox Monk. You should refer to me again by my given name.
Vladimir: Very well, Sergei Michailovich. I know you are a man of action. I also know you continue to plot against Grigory Efimovich.
Trufanov: Yes, the rumors are true. But do not forget that what I am about to tell you must be kept in the strictest of confidence. That, above all, is why I asked you here tonight. It is hard to know who to trust these days. Everyone has either turned their back on me or revealed themselves to be untrustworthy charlatans.
Vladimir: Your secret is safe with me my dear friend. Nothing spoken of will leave this room tonight.
Trufanov (taking another sip of wine): Good.
Vladimir: Now tell me. What do you know of Rasputin...his whereabouts that is?
Trufanov: I have a pair of loyal contacts and I am also able to ascertain much simply by reading the newspapers. The Holy Devil has made himself into quite a celebrity. He has throngs of devoted followers and just as many enemies...many of whom are among the ministers and the men and women of the court.
Vladimir: Yes I am aware of this. But he's strangely popular with the revolutionaries too from what I understand.
Trufanov: Is it so strange? These are men possessing a single minded focus. To bring down the monarchy. Anything and anyone who can be used to discredit the empire and the Tsar & Empress is a de facto ally to their cause.
Vladimir: Yes, I see your point.
Trufanov: One of them writes to me. Maxim Gorky.
Vladimir: The author?
Trufanov: Yes. He is a political activist and revolutionary. He is also a man of great moral fiber. God fearing unlike many of the radicals he feels it necessary to align himself with.
Vladimir (nodding): So where is Rasputin now?
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #529 on: March 08, 2013, 06:33:45 PM »
As Trufanov prepares to respond the camera shifts from their dining room to a series of clips featuring the Starets. Trufanov, his voice playing the role of narrator, describes the scenes as they unfolds...

Trufanov: The Empress wanted him close. Rumor has it she has not been well. So she invited him to Yalta during their annual retreat to the Crimea.
Vladimir: He stayed with the imperial family at Livadia Palace?
Trufanov (amused): Oh no, come now. The Tsar might be under the devil's spell but he has not completely lost touch with reality. Rasputin was staying in town and at a hotel. The Empress's friend Ana Vyrubova, her regular messenger and go between, visited him each day. He visited the family often as a guest at the palace but while he was in town he became the focus of much attention.
Vladimir: The poor peasants of the surrounding areas probably worshiped at this fool's feet like it was Christ himself who came to the Crimea.
Trufanov: Yes indeed. Holed up in his hotel suite I hear he took a liking to the staff and particularly the pretty young female maids who attended to his every need.
Vladimir (disgusted): The filthy rogue!
Trufanov: Yes. Although I'm certain even a fool such as he took care not to engage in his normal depravity while in such close proximity to the imperial family. No, this time he merely boasted about his influence on the family...it wasn't long however before word got out that Rasputin was in town and where he was staying. He had many visitors. I'm told that supporters stood outside. Some praying below his window, and others selling photographs.
Vladimir: The buffoon has created his own little cottage industry has he?
Trufanov (chuckling): Indeed. I hear pictures of the great Father Grigory outsold those of the imperial family.
Vladimir: Much to the delight of the Tsar I'm sure. Only if he knew, yes?
Trufanov: You may be more correct than you know. Rasputin was said to have left rather abruptly and returned to St. Petersburg a few days ago. The Tsar apparently was advised to send him home.
Vladimir: Overshadowed was the Tsar?
Trufanov: Perhaps Rasputin was simply too much of a tourist attraction. Either way he left Yalta...and now again we are presented with an opportunity.
Vladimir: An opportunity to do what?
Trufanov: To eliminate the devil. Once and for all!
Vladimir (surprised, pausing): Eliminate him? But how?
Trufanov: Grigory Efimovich may be a celebrity, but I too am not without my devoted followers...still. There are many people, women mostly, who have been harmed by Rasputin and thirst for revenge.
Vladimir: You are planning an attack. A hit? Someone to carry out the deed?
Trufanov: Of course. How else? I may have my fingerprints all over this, but I certainly won't have his blood on my hands.
Vladimir: Well this...this is starling to me indeed.
Trufanov: You knew this day would come. You know I have tried and failed to rid Russia of this filthy charlatan before.
Vladimir: But now you have involved me in your plot. I am at the very least complicit should the act the be carried out.
Trufanov: It's already being carried out.
Vladimir (startled): How? You are planning on attacking him on the streets of St. Petersburg? He is protected by the Okhrana and under constant surveillance. You'll never get...
Trufanov (interrupting): He is no longer in St. Petersburg.
Vladimir: No? Where is he?
Trufanov: After departing from Yalta he only stopped in St. Petersburg to collect his wife and daughter. Yesterday he arrived home to Pokrovskoe.
Vladimir: Alright. Who have you sent to carry out the deed?
Trufanov: Her name is Khiona Gusyeva.
Vladimir (surprised): A woman?
Trufanov: Yes.
Vladimir: Are you trying to seduce him with a prostitute who will murder him in his sleep?
Trufanov: Gusyeva is in fact an ex-prostitute, and at one time quite an attractive one from what I'm told.
Vladimir: Is she an old woman now?
Trufanov: No. But a few years ago she contracted syphilis and is now badly disfigured.
Vladimir: How do you expect such a woman to get close to Rasputin?
Trufanov: Our plan is to disguise her as a beggar woman and dress her in rags. She has been instructed to approach Rasputin after church services where she is able to blend in the with crowd. She'll need to convince Rasputin to stop and take notice of her. At which point she'll plunge a long blade into his midsection. With any luck he'll be killed on the spot. Although I must admit to enjoying the idea of the bastard writhing in pain for a spell before he is sent to hell.
Vladimir: This is rather risky Sergei Michailovich. What if she is captured and speaks?
Trufanov: Oh I imagine she'll be captured. But I wouldn't worry about her talking.
Vladimir: Why would she keep silent for you, for us?
Trufanov: She's a crazy woman. Insane. She can barely piece together a single coherent sentence. No one will believe a word she says. Certainly not in a courtroom. She's sworn loyalty to me as well for what it's worth. She asked only that I use the money I was prepared to offer her to instead help provide for her family...which of course I will.
Vladimir: When will the attempt on his life be made?
Trufanov: Sunday morning. (sipping more wine from his glass)
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #530 on: March 08, 2013, 06:33:55 PM »
Trufanov's voice trails off as we shift full attention to the scene of the assassination attempt. Rasputin is shown leaving his local church and surrounded by several admirers. He embraces them and exchanges pleasantries and an acquaintance walks up to hand him a telegram. The man asks Rasputin to read but not make a scene. Scribbled on the note is the following message...

"It is with terrible sadness that I inform you the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, Heir to the Austria-Hungarian throne, and his wife, the Duchess Sophie, were brutally and tragically assassinated yesterday morning on parade in Sarajevo. Serbian nationalists are suspected. The whole of Europe mourns their loss and the Tsar and Empress request your prayers in this tragic hour." - Count Vladimir Frederiks, Minister of the Russian Imperial Household

Rasputin stares straight ahead, momentarily in shock, he then folds the telegram and places it in his pocket and asks the gentleman who delivered the message to "come, come with me. We must talk." The camera shifts and from a street corner Khiona Gusyeva appears. As planned she is hunched over and dressed in brown and gray rags. She carries with her a small pouch and her head is covered by a hood. As Rasputin makes his way down the street the woman follows. She then catches up with him, appearing from around the corner of a side street where Rasputin is walking with and in conversation with his acquaintance. The two men are trailed by other church goers who make their way home.

Gusyeva (slowly walking up to him): Sir, sir. Please sir.
Rasputin (turning his attention): Do you call out for me?
Gusyeva: Please sir. My children go hungry. Could you spare a few rubles?
Rasputin (reaching into his pocket): I don't have much. But what I have will be better used by you and your children.

Khiona anxiously looks up at the Starets and forces a smile onto her face. From underneath the layers of rags she pulls a holstered knife, the blade shown dangling at her side. In slow motion she brandishes the weapon and plunges it into the abdomen of the stunned Rasputin who stumbles and falls to the ground. Khiona launches again at the Starets but she is fended off by Father Grigory's working stick and can only inflict an additional glancing blow before Rasputin's friend with the help of an arriving crowd, witnessing the incident, are able to subdue her. The bloody knife falls to the ground just as Rasputin curls into a fetal position, groaning in pain.

As we revert back to real time the pummeled Gusyeva is detained and carried away while laughing and shouting "I have killed the anti-Christ!" Other screams for a "doctor" ring out while Rasputin's wounds are checked over. "Oh dear God" is shouted at the sight of the Father Grigory's hanging entrails. Moments later a carriage arrives and the Starets, fighting for his life, is lifted into and stretched out on the back seat. The scene then shifts to a still bleeding and perspiring Rasputin being attended to by several admirers in the bed of a home of one of the local townspeople. Two well dressed women and a man stand near the back of the room with a look of great concern and grief on their faces. A moment later another man approaches...

Man 1: That was doctor on the phone. It will be hours before he arrives!
Man 2: Hours? Is there nothing we can do in the meantime?
Man 1: Everyone in town with any sort of medical experience is either in this house or on their way.
Woman 1: They have stopped the bleeding for now.
Man 2: Yes but the damaged is great. I'm not certain how long anyone could be expected to hold out after such an injury.
Woman 2: Where is this evil woman! Where have they taken her?
Man 1: She is being held in a local cell across town madame.
Women 1: He was helping her. He was preparing to hand her money and then she stabbed him!
Women 2: They should sentence and string her up tonight!
Man 2: Never mind her now darling. We must do whatever we can to help Father Grigory recover.
Man 1: When the doctor arrives he will want to take the Father to Tyumen. They have a hospital there.
Women 1: But Tyumen is still so far!
Man 1: There is nothing more that can be done for now. If he survives long enough for the doctor to arrive, and then the journey to the hospital, he'll receive surgery for the wound.
Women 2 (crossing herself then kneeling to pray): Oh God.

The camera then cuts away and focuses on Rasputin, weak but speaking to several of those who have surrounded his bed and are tending to his needs...

Rasputin (feebly): Do not cry my children...it is only a matter of time...for us all.
Man #3: There is a doctor coming. He is on his way.
Rasputin (nodding gently): Good, good...I thank you all...but do not worry...if I am to die I will be at peace...God is with me...my fate is in his hands.

The Starets then coughs gently and closes his eyes in pain. The scene fades out and cuts away...
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #531 on: March 08, 2013, 06:40:15 PM »
All extremely good stuff, edubs. Well imagined , well written.

To the point that, in reply 514, did Nicholas  really dismiss Kokostsov from his ministry by  letter, as you have described it, or is this your scenario? In any case, that truly was Nicholas' way intoo many instances, shying away from the personally uncomfortable tasks of offending, hurting, or delivering bad news to almost anyone,  even when it was necessary and served a greater good.

Likewise kudos to you, James, who may be the best advisor on military matters as war looms in 1914.

Hey Rodney, thanks as always for the kind works. Just got done posting some more scenes recapping the, rather unfortunately, unsuccessful attempt on Rasputin's life in 1914...engineered by his former friend Iliodor.

Far as the letter goes, yes, that was the actual letter...word for word minus a couple of a minor typos I cleaned up...sent to Kokovstov. Nicholas did actually meet with his former Minister afterwards, and it was said to be a rather emotional exchange. But in typical Nicky fashion, as you are correct to point out, he presented the actual dismissal not in person but on paper.
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #532 on: March 08, 2013, 07:38:54 PM »
#530 I don't know if there would have been a telephone in the village I believe they were rare outside cities at this time in Russia. The killing of Franz ferdinand and Sophie and the wounding of rasputin believe it or not occured when you factor in the time zones at almost the same time.

1913 tercentary comments from a Russian politician whose name I can't remember. He said something like "judging from all the celebrating you would think the people were to the right of the Duma inreality the people are to the left of the Duma.

From Nelipa's book "The Murder of Grigoy Rasputin" Dr Botkin writes in a letter in 1913 "If Rasputin did not exist, then the adversaries of the Imperial family and the preparationists of the revolution would have created him with their own bable from Vyrubova. If no Vyrubova from me, from whomever you want."

Stoylipin I think said possibly to Nicholas " The monarchy cannot survive a scandle>" or words to that effect

Nicholas in LDR said "Better one Rasputin than 10 fits of hysteria a day" he may have said this to Stoylipin am not sure.

Note Nicholas made Kokostov a count i think about the same time he fired him.

Back to the R-J war: 26 May 1905 2 Japanese naval officers are in a cabin of a ship talking:
Officer 1: Well all our ships have been overhauled since the fall of Port Arthur and we are as ready as we can be now all we have to do is wait for the Russians.
Officer 2: the morale and fighting spirt of the fleet are excellent. The men are all eagar for battle. Let's hope the Russians don't turn around and sail home.
(another officer sticks his head in the cabin and says: Hey! the enemy fleet has been sighted! the fleet has been ordered to get underway!
Officer 1: Lets go!

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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #533 on: March 08, 2013, 09:16:04 PM »
Well since there wasn't a doctor in town I guess it makes sense there wouldn't be a phone either. So what do you think James? Telegram instead? They apparently got ahold of a doctor somehow because the knew how far away he was and that he planned to take Rasputin to Tyumen for surgery and care.

Speaking of telegrams. Rasputin was apparently handed one after leaving church on the day he was stabbed. To the best of my knowledge no one knows the contents of that message, which is why I elected to have it address the assassination which obviously would have been big news. Good call on the time difference though! I didn't consider that.

I'll have to give this one some thought.
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #534 on: March 09, 2013, 02:06:17 AM »
The Sarajevo assassination happened late morning local time. I'll need to check the exact time, but Franz Ferdinand and Sophie were en route to the City Hall for an official farewell reception when the bomb was thrown. The farewells were cut short, the couple set off for the hospital to visit the injured and were then shot.

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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #535 on: March 09, 2013, 02:08:22 AM »
"The killing of Franz ferdinand and Sophie and the wounding of rasputin believe it or not occured when you factor in the time zones at almost the same time."

There is almost a two week difference in time between the murder of Franz Ferdinand (June 28th 1914, O.S. June 15th) and the attack on Rasputin June 28th (N.S. July 10th)

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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #536 on: March 09, 2013, 09:13:48 AM »
Rudy) Are you sure about that? Ferdinand was killed at 10:45am on Sunday, June 28th (New Style). And according to Joseph Furhmann's book "Rasputin: A Life" he was indeed stabbed on June 28th (New Style), the same day as the Archduke's assassination.

Strangely not all historians seem to agree with this. Some have placed the date of the stabbing as early as April 28th and others as late as July 12th. However I have read also that Nicholas & Alexandra were rocked by the news they received of both incidents within a very short time frame. It's unclear to me whether they received telegrams reports on both within hours or days of each other, but it seems unlikely it would have been a separation of two weeks-plus.

I really don't know though and it certainly alters the nature of my next scene/s. I can easily enough remove the contents of the telegram that Radputin received and read and keep it a mystery. But the timing of the news received by the Tsar and Empress about the death of the Archduke and their Friend is a bit more important. Thoughts anyone...?
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #537 on: March 09, 2013, 09:33:11 AM »
Easy enough to prove: the newspaper Novoe Vremya mentions on page 1 on June 16th (N.S. 29) the attack and death of Franz Ferdinand. That same newspaper informs us, two weeks later, on July 1st (N.S. 14), on page 2, that there had been an attack on Rasputin in Pokrovskoe. (Here no date given of the attack, but it had happened two days earlier... news from Pokrovskoe took time to travel to St Petersburg).

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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #538 on: March 09, 2013, 11:20:41 AM »
Easy enough to prove: the newspaper Novoe Vremya mentions on page 1 on June 16th (N.S. 29) the attack and death of Franz Ferdinand. That same newspaper informs us, two weeks later, on July 1st (N.S. 14), on page 2, that there had been an attack on Rasputin in Pokrovskoe. (Here no date given of the attack, but it had happened two days earlier... news from Pokrovskoe took time to travel to St Petersburg).

Good find Rudy. I'll take your word for it. I am rather confused though by the notes I've read on Nicholas & Alexandra's response to the double act of terror. It makes it seem like the acts were committed on the same day, or very close to each other. The relationship between 'old system' and 'new system' often creates havoc! I noticed that Wikipedia incorrectly had the assassination of the imperial family as dated July 4th...getting tripped up by the 'old style' calendar as well.

It's not a big deal for my little Rasputin scene. I already need to clean that up a bit. Apparently Gusyeva was not in fact subdued by the angry crowd who came to Rasputin's rescue, but instead was chased, must have gotten away, and later turned herself in to the local constable.
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Re: New Nicholas & Alexandra Video - Mini Series? Part II
« Reply #539 on: March 09, 2013, 05:32:22 PM »
I thought I remembered the stabbing was the same day as the assasination so I did a search, I knew it had been discussed here.  I found a thread on the stabbing- http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2796.msg304814#msg304814 .

Rudy is indeed correct, it was June 29 OS, making it July 12 NS.  Reply #11 has a link to Belochka's bio of Rasputin, well researched and worth reading.

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