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« on: January 21, 2013, 01:35:48 AM »
Hey guys, I'm working on a sci-fi/historical story that involves the Romanov family.  After some googling, this forum seems like the best place to put it up for some historical and literary feedback.  Many thanks in advance!


The air tasted like charcoal.

"Yesterday I saved a lady from rape," Ben heard a guard say, as he shouldered his way through the crowd outside the station.

"How'd you do it?"

"Well, I just persuaded her."

It was a Cossack voice and a Cossack joke.  The town had filled with soldiers in the past month; the men of the Ural Revolutionary Committee were taking no chances.  Chelyabinsk, not two hundred kilometers to the south, had just fallen to the Whites, and without officers or steady pay, loyalties amongst the local garrison troops were decidedly mixed.  Still, Ben was surprised that some of the famous horsemen had ridden this far from their homeland, and even further from their oaths of service to the Tsar.

Under a tent across the street, Brodsky tended a long outdoor bar occupied by more soldiers, one empty sleeve flapping in the wind as he ladled kvass into bowl after bowl of okroshka.  He saw Ben from under his tent and smiled, his teeth a webwork of gold and brown decay.  Ben found a place between the centimeter-thick powder on one of Karchenko's girls and a fidgety soldier in a foreign uniform.  "Misha was in here earlier, with two 'friends'," Brodsky said, shoving a glass across the table with his good hand.  "Maybe some business with you, Ben?"

Ben shrugged.  The girl to his right giggled and nudged him.

The bartender's smile widened.  His ugliness was the stuff of local legend.  Even among the dozens of injured veterans that now prowled the streets, there was something heraldic about catching a German artillery shell and somehow living to tell the tale.

"You are too much the artiste, Herr Ben."  Brodsky grunted; the sound served him as laughter.  He scratched his overhang of white-shirted belly with his remaining good arm.  "You are the artiste of the slightly funny deal."

"Sure," Ben said, and sipped his kvass.  "Someone has to make the soldiers laugh around here.  Unfortunately, you're only around from sunup to sundown."

The whore's giggle went up an octave.

"Isn't you either, miss, so please excuse us.  Karchenko, he's a close friend of mine."

She looked Ben in the eye and made the softest possible spitting sound, her lips barely moving.  But she left.

Ben's eyes followed her out into the crowd, then turned back to Brodsky.  "What kind of a place is this town turning into?  A man can't even have a drink in peace."

Brodsky grunted again, swabbed the battered woodwork with a rag.  "Karchenko gives me a cut.  You, I let drink here for entertainment value."

Ben shrugged, then took another sip.  Around him, one of those strange instants of silence descended, as the conversation at the other end of the bar drifted to Ben and his foreign-looking neighbor.

"Hoy!  You, in the Austrian unform, why are you in our fair town?"

A sneering response in heavily-accented Russian.  "I'm from Hungary, idiots, and I'm part of a special detachment of the Cheka."

The soldiers instantly apologized, chastened into sipping their okroshka in silence.  The Hungarian left, dropping a heavy gold piece on the table and shaking his head.  It took five minutes before one of the other soldiers mustered the courage to turn to Ben.

"You, the one with the Mongol face.  Why are you here?"

"I don't remember," Ben said to his glass, all his bitterness suddenly rising in him like bile.  "I really don't."


Ben had awakened in Canton over three years ago, wearing a coat patterned like leaves scattered over mud, a strange-shaped rifle slung over one shoulder and a folded-up family photograph in his back pocket.

The coat didn't make much sense.  Ben didn't know why someone would make a coat that looked like it was still stained with mud even after it was washed, but it was all he had at the time.  The rifle was better--it kept firing when he held down the trigger, but after the long, curved magazine emptied, Ben couldn't find any more rounds that fit the chamber.

The photograph, however, made the least and yet the most sense of all.  The most sense, because after asking around for half a day, Ben was redirected to the Russian legation, and found an easy match: the imperial family of Russia.  But it made the least sense because Ben couldn't understand, for the life of him, why he had it.

And, more than why--who?  Who was he, really?  Ben spent the first day in Canton asking that to himself, then spent the next three weeks wandering through the dusty streets around the foreign quarter, living on handouts.  Somehow, he discovered he could speak, read, and write both Chinese and English, and found work drafting letters for Sun Yat-sen's Constitutional Protection Army.  Then, one day, he'd taken his rifle to an artillery captain, who promptly praised it as revolutionary and suggested setting up a factory to mass produce them.

Ben got a third of the shares in the resulting Canton Repeating Arms Company.  Ongoing war in Europe made him and his partners wealthy.  But the dreams came in on Pearl River breeze like wispy dragon-tails of opium smoke, and he'd wake up, clawing at the pillow, searching for memories no longer there, and that quite possibly would never arrive.

So when he heard that the Russian Empire was descending into revolution, he set out to find the family on the now-faded photograph.  The gold he brought with him paved a trail of answers from Vladivostok to Yekaterinburg, but then his trail ran cold.  For two months, he'd hung around Brodsky's place, hoping to catch an answer.  No luck, mainly because Ben figured asking anyone the question directly in the Ural Revkom's home base would get him shot. 

The only man he'd mentioned his quest to, after a rare bottle of absinthe colored their night, was Brodsky, and he'd laughed it off as the ravings of someone tripped on the green fairy.  Now Ben was down to just enough money for the train and steamship tickets back home.


The soldiers had left.  Ben sat with an empty glass, alone.

"I saw your girl last night," Brodsky said, passing Ben another one.

Ben shook his head.  "I've never asked Karchenko for one," he said, and drank.

"She belongs to the guards, if you catch my drift."

Ben froze.  "What?"

The bartender's small brown eyes sank deeper into his scarred face.  "The Ipatiev House, on the edge of town.  And if anyone asks you who--"

"I know."  Ben finished his kvass, paid, and left, lanky shoulders hunched beneath a simple black jacket.  Threading his way through another Red Army detachment, he beelined for his rented shed on the edge of town.

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Re: untitled Romanov story (feedback welcome!)
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 02:37:41 AM »
Specific questions for upcoming parts:

1) Was the Romanov family fluent in languages other than Russian?
2) What sort of temperament did Nicholas II have?  Was he resigned in captivity, or angry about it?
3) Would the Romanovs accept the Bolshevization of Russia?  How much of what was going on in Russia were the Romanovs aware of?  Did they know about the Civil War going on around them?
4) What was the opinion of the Whites by July 1918?  I'm assuming they ranged from outright hostility (Mensheviks and Socialists) to adulation (monarchists)--but what was the 'average' opinion?  Would Kolchak or Denikin have propped them up, pushed for exile, or simply killed them too?
5) Personalities--how did the Tsar, Tsarina, and their children differ in temperament?  A specific example--let's say I'm planning a scene where somebody from the seven has to pick up a gun and shoot their way through a Bolshevik checkpoint.  Who would be most likely to pull the trigger?
6) Naming--quick check, aside from their formal names, these are the ones I'll be using:
Nicholas II = Father, daddy, Nicky (see the Willy-Nicky telegrams), His Imperial Majesty, Citizen
Alexandra = Mother, mommy, Sasha, Alix, Her Imperial Majesty, Her Grand Ducal Highness
Olga = Olenka, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Tatiana = Tanya, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Maria = Mashka, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Anastasia = Nastya, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Alexei = Sasha, His Imperial Highness

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 06:53:39 AM »
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Hey guys, I'm working on a sci-fi/historical story that involves the Romanov family

Cool, I look forward to it.  I myself wrote such a story here nearly three years ago now (where does the time go) called Bid Time Return.


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1)Was the Romanov family fluent in languages other than Russian?

Yes, they also spoke English, French, and German.  In fact, Alexandra, who spent much of her youth in Britain, spoke to the family in English much of the time.


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2) What sort of temperament did Nicholas II have?  Was he resigned in captivity, or angry about it?

From what I understand, he pretty much accepted what had happened to him.  In his eyes, it was God's will.


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3) Would the Romanovs accept the Bolshevization of Russia?  How much of what was going on in Russia were the Romanovs aware of?  Did they know about the Civil War going on around them?

They knew there was fighting going on and has some information as to what was going on.  However, as to whether they would have accepted Bolsevization, that is a good question.  Of course, there was nothing they could have done about it.


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4) What was the opinion of the Whites by July 1918?  I'm assuming they ranged from outright hostility (Mensheviks and Socialists) to adulation (monarchists)--but what was the 'average' opinion?  Would Kolchak or Denikin have propped them up, pushed for exile, or simply killed them too?

Depends on which faction got a hold of them.  However, by 1918, no one wanted Nicholas back on the throne.  It is most likely that the Whites would have exiled them from Russia, as opposed to murdering them.


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5) Personalities--how did the Tsar, Tsarina, and their children differ in temperament?  A specific example--let's say I'm planning a scene where somebody from the seven has to pick up a gun and shoot their way through a Bolshevik checkpoint.  Who would be most likely to pull the trigger?

Hmmmm, that is interesting.  Perhaps Nicholas would have done it, had he been given no choice.


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6) Naming--quick check, aside from their formal names, these are the ones I'll be using:
Nicholas II = Father, daddy, Nicky (see the Willy-Nicky telegrams), His Imperial Majesty, Citizen
Alexandra = Mother, mommy, Sasha, Alix, Her Imperial Majesty, Her Grand Ducal Highness
Olga = Olenka, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Tatiana = Tanya, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Maria = Mashka, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Anastasia = Nastya, Her Imperial Highness, Grand Duchess
Alexei = Sasha, His Imperial Highness

Nicholas did go by Nicky by close family and friends.  the children called him Papa

Alexandra was called Alix and had the nickname Sunny.  She was Mama to the children.

You pretty much got OTMA correct.

I don't think Alexei was ever referred to as "Sasha" though.  That name came from Alexander (and Alexandra for women), not Alexei.

I'm sure others here can help you too.  Good luck with your story.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 10:22:32 AM »
Neat stuff 't_co', I'm interested in reading on and seeing where you go with it!

Just to offer some additional information to the answers Tim already gave...

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1)Was the Romanov family fluent in languages other than Russian?

Nicholas spoke to his children primarily in Russia and to his wife in English. Alexandra spoke to her children primarily in English.

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2) What sort of temperament did Nicholas II have?  Was he resigned in captivity, or angry about it?

Again what Tim said. Some of the guards later said that Nicholas was withdrawn at times and almost placid in others. Rarely did he seem to express frustration. Only when provided with news of military defeats or the eventual Brest-Litovsk Treaty (he considered any peace negotiation with Germany to be traitorous) did he seem to express heartache or disgust. It's worth noting also that Alexandra had remarked much earlier Nicholas's tendency to internalize stress and guard his emotions. He had a break down after arriving home to the palace to see his family again after abdicating, but other than that...

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They knew there was fighting going on and has some information as to what was going on.  However, as to whether they would have accepted Bolsevization, that is a good question.  Of course, there was nothing they could have done about it.

Their situation grew worse and the flow of information became more constricted as they were moved from Tsarskoe Selo to Tobolsk and then Ekaterinburg. By the time they reached the Ipatiev House I'm pretty sure they knew little to nothing of the outside world. Being somewhat detached from reality also gave Nicholas and Alexandra the idea that they were of greater value than they truly were. Alexandra was leery of being separated from her husband because she didn't want him to make the "foolish" move of accepting a peace treaty. She failed to grasp that the IF no longer possessed the power to legislate terms for the government.

I cannot speak to their feelings on Bolsheviks but I can't imagine them having been comfortable with the idea of losing their empire to such radical (and violent) revolutionaries. We know the family did not want to leave Russia, but faced with a life or death situation and having knowledge of the new Soviet regime they would have had to exist under I'm guessing that living abroad would have been welcomed. Far as anyone knew the White Army had the upper hand and N&A probably could easily have been led to believe that Bolsheviks would eventually have been defeated. If that had happened there is a good chance that the IF would have received their wish after all. To be relieved of power but perhaps have the opportunity to live, quietly and removed, in the Crimea or elsewhere.

Again it's important to realize that they didn't believe they were going to be killed. Even if Nicholas had some premonition about being tried for his "crimes" and then executed in the proposed Trotsky led mock-trial in Moscow I'm quite certain he never imagined the rest of his family and retainers being executed as well. In fact, had such a mock trial taken place it's reasonable to believe that OTMAA would have been exiled, Alexandra perhaps too (or imprisoned), and Nicholas either imprisoned or sentenced to death.

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4) What was the opinion of the Whites by July 1918?  I'm assuming they ranged from outright hostility (Mensheviks and Socialists) to adulation (monarchists)--but what was the 'average' opinion?  Would Kolchak or Denikin have propped them up, pushed for exile, or simply killed them too?

Depends on which faction got a hold of them.  However, by 1918, no one wanted Nicholas back on the throne.  It is most likely that the Whites would have exiled them from Russia, as opposed to murdering them.

Yes almost unthinkable to believe they would have been killed, at least by order of the state. Although it remains one of the ultimate 'what-ifs' surrounding this saga, I think it probable that their exile would likely have been arranged, but it against their will or not. But Tim is right, or would largely depend on which faction gained the upper hand within the large consortium of the White Army. I could see the following taking place depending on who wound up controlling the eventual government...

Kadets - Nicholas is tried for his crimes and subsequently imprisoned for a period of time. He negotiates for his wife Alexandra not to be tried and for his family to be exiled abroad.
Octobrists - They negotiate the immediate exile of the Imperial Family, wanting them protected but removed from Russia as soon as quickly as possible.
Monarchists - Not enough popular support for the Tsar to be brought back into power but the Tsar and his family are given a security detail and permitted to live anywhere in Russia of their choosing except (possibly) for Moscow and St. Petersburg. It's likely they'd choose to live at Livadia.

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5) Personalities--how did the Tsar, Tsarina, and their children differ in temperament?  A specific example--let's say I'm planning a scene where somebody from the seven has to pick up a gun and shoot their way through a Bolshevik checkpoint.  Who would be most likely to pull the trigger?

Well Olga did have a small pistol that Nicholas gave her that was eventually uncovered and she was forced to hand over. Perhaps you can twist that small detail into something interesting. Of the seven family members I find it hard to believe that Alexei (young and ill), Marie and Anastasia would take up arms, or Alexandra for that matter. I'd think the Tsar himself, naturally, and Olga would be most likely to stand and protect their family.

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Alexei = Sasha, His Imperial Highness

"Baby" was a common nickname given by his parents. I'm not sure if this name had begun to disappear (likely) by the time of their captivity and his death, nearly fourteen years of age by July of 1918.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 03:14:27 PM »
Alexei was often known as Alyosha, not sure if that would have still been around by the time they reached the Ipatiev house.

Just a note about one of the family shooting the gun - yes, I agree it would be Nicholas, but something you should remember: the family was very, very adamant about not being separated from Dr. Botkin, Kharitonov, Trupp, and Anna Demidova. They mentioned in the escape notes that they did not wish to leave behind the retainers who had followed them all the way to Ekaterinburg. If in your story escape is possible after all, it's likely that the family would object to being separated from the servants. (Although, I think if there was ever a real chance of being saved they would have had to leave them anyway.) I guess the reason I brought this all up is that if they indeed all managed to make it out, one of the servants would have been more likely to lay down his life for the tsar and his family than let Nicholas take up the gun himself. But yes, if it is to be one of the Romanovs it should be Nicholas. Just watch out - make sure you don't forget that someone has to be carrying Alexei.

I really like what you have so far. Looking forward to reading the rest.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 06:59:02 PM »
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Alexei was often known as Alyosha, not sure if that would have still been around by the time they reached the Ipatiev house.

Just a note about one of the family shooting the gun - yes, I agree it would be Nicholas, but something you should remember: the family was very, very adamant about not being separated from Dr. Botkin, Kharitonov, Trupp, and Anna Demidova. They mentioned in the escape notes that they did not wish to leave behind the retainers who had followed them all the way to Ekaterinburg. If in your story escape is possible after all, it's likely that the family would object to being separated from the servants. (Although, I think if there was ever a real chance of being saved they would have had to leave them anyway.) I guess the reason I brought this all up is that if they indeed all managed to make it out, one of the servants would have been more likely to lay down his life for the tsar and his family than let Nicholas take up the gun himself. But yes, if it is to be one of the Romanovs it should be Nicholas. Just watch out - make sure you don't forget that someone has to be carrying Alexei.

I really like what you have so far. Looking forward to reading the rest.

Hmmm, got it.  If there is to be a gunman, it will probably be Nicholas, one of the servants, or Olga, in that order of probability.

As for Alexei, I'm curious--what were his own aspirations like?  Was he morose, or was he interested in reclaiming his birthright?  I think that even more than OTMA, the end of the Empire would have affected his outlook and future prospects.  And ditto on the name, Alyosha sounds great.

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Their situation grew worse and the flow of information became more constricted as they were moved from Tsarskoe Selo to Tobolsk and then Ekaterinburg. By the time they reached the Ipatiev House I'm pretty sure they knew little to nothing of the outside world. Being somewhat detached from reality also gave Nicholas and Alexandra the idea that they were of greater value than they truly were. Alexandra was leery of being separated from her husband because she didn't want him to make the "foolish" move of accepting a peace treaty. She failed to grasp that the IF no longer possessed the power to legislate terms for the government.

I cannot speak to their feelings on Bolsheviks but I can't imagine them having been comfortable with the idea of losing their empire to such radical (and violent) revolutionaries. We know the family did not want to leave Russia, but faced with a life or death situation and having knowledge of the new Soviet regime they would have had to exist under I'm guessing that living abroad would have been welcomed. Far as anyone knew the White Army had the upper hand and N&A probably could easily have been led to believe that Bolsheviks would eventually have been defeated. If that had happened there is a good chance that the IF would have received their wish after all. To be relieved of power but perhaps have the opportunity to live, quietly and removed, in the Crimea or elsewhere.

Again it's important to realize that they didn't believe they were going to be killed. Even if Nicholas had some premonition about being tried for his "crimes" and then executed in the proposed Trotsky led mock-trial in Moscow I'm quite certain he never imagined the rest of his family and retainers being executed as well. In fact, had such a mock trial taken place it's reasonable to believe that OTMAA would have been exiled, Alexandra perhaps too (or imprisoned), and Nicholas either imprisoned or sentenced to death.

Got it.  I'm assuming exile in London or Paris would be most likely here.  Of course, they would then immediately get thrust into the whirlwind that was post-Revolution emigre politics, dodging the double agents of the Cheka.

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 07:06:21 PM »
I tink after the accident at Tobolsk Alexei was just very, very tired. There's that famous quote, "I am not afraid to die, but I am afraid of what they will do to us here," which he apparently said to Alexandra upon his arrival in Ekaterinburg. I've never come across any documentation of Alexei's immediate reaction to Nicholas' abdication, but doctors and his parents knew that he was a sick boy and the prospects of him even living long enough to be tsar were slim. I think the best way to depict Alexei would be as a sad, sick, tired boy who's been in pain all his life and just wants to be left in peace.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 09:23:03 PM »
"About time you showed up, Genghiz."

Misha Karchenko filled the doorway with a hundred kilograms of softening muscle draped over an one-hundred-and-ninety-centimeter frame.  Ben tried to move around one tattoed arm, then gave up.

"Misha, I'll be checking out of here soon."

"That's what you told the innkeeper two days ago."  A beefy hand disappeared into an old army coat, then reappeared with a Nagant revolver.  Misha kept it at a friendly angle to Ben's chest.  "I can't run my business like this."

"I paid him for three more days of lodging."  Ben began to edge past the ex-soldier, who stepped back in the way.

"Nyet.  I don't care what you paid him.  You're either a saint or a bugger, and either way, you're costing me money."  He cocked the revolver.  The sound echoed off the empty storage shed.  "You leave, now."

Misha Karchenko deserted his unit around Minsk, then hopped from brig to brig all the way to the local Tsarist military base.  As usual, Misha had been locked up for drunken brawling.  Then the Revolution set Misha free, and he promptly seized the officer's quarters, turning them into free housing for 'revolutionary comrades', and the equipment sheds, which became not-so-free housing for any refugees or travelers.

Misha then realized there was a fourth group of people that needed a roof over their heads to operate.  Now the most ancient profession gave Misha more income than innkeeping did, but sometimes celibates like this Mongol-looking fool kept cutting into his business.

Ben thought fast.  "If you let me stay this extra day, I'll pay you another week's worth of gold tomorrow."

Misha's eyes narrowed.  "And why would I believe that?"

Ben made a sheepish gesture.  "Join me inside, and I'll tell you."


The sergeant sipped on a teacup.  "So what you're telling me is, this house has treasure in it?"

"I heard about it from a nobleman in Omsk," Ben lied.

"How much?"

"Enough to fill a truck."

Karchenko leaned back, impressed.  "Is that why you purchased the horse and carriage from Brodsky?"

Ben nodded.

"And you've been hanging around here, waiting for the right moment?"

"No.  I've been trying to find which house it is.  I just did, today."

"So you're going to hit them tonight, then."

Another nod.  Ben took a sip of tea.

Karchenko clapped Ben on the shoulder, spilling the hot liquid all over Ben's thighs and causing him to wince in pain.  "Well, that's great.  I'm going to join you, like it or not."

Ben shifted back in his chair with mock disappointment and began wiping at his pants with a handkerchief.  "I'm not sure you want to do that.  The house is quite well guarded--maybe by the Reds, who knows."

"Who knows?  More like who cares.  I'll just pay off the members of the Revkom once we're done, and then we can get out of this shithole.  And," he said, smiling and stroking his Nagant, "you don't really have much of a choice."

Ben shrugged and refilled his teacup.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 10:07:00 PM »
I tink after the accident at Tobolsk Alexei was just very, very tired. There's that famous quote, "I am not afraid to die, but I am afraid of what they will do to us here," which he apparently said to Alexandra upon his arrival in Ekaterinburg. I've never come across any documentation of Alexei's immediate reaction to Nicholas' abdication, but doctors and his parents knew that he was a sick boy and the prospects of him even living long enough to be tsar were slim. I think the best way to depict Alexei would be as a sad, sick, tired boy who's been in pain all his life and just wants to be left in peace.

Fair enough.

Trying to figure out a way to balance the 'screen time' for all of the members of the family.  Almost tempted to kill off a few just so the narrative doesn't turn unwieldy  :D

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 11:09:19 PM »
I tink after the accident at Tobolsk Alexei was just very, very tired. There's that famous quote, "I am not afraid to die, but I am afraid of what they will do to us here," which he apparently said to Alexandra upon his arrival in Ekaterinburg. I've never come across any documentation of Alexei's immediate reaction to Nicholas' abdication, but doctors and his parents knew that he was a sick boy and the prospects of him even living long enough to be tsar were slim. I think the best way to depict Alexei would be as a sad, sick, tired boy who's been in pain all his life and just wants to be left in peace.

I think he may have been more than just tired. It's possible that he was dying, slowly. His body had been through too much. He did have a relatively healthy period before his most recent attack left him unable to walk, but I skeptical as to whether he would have lived to see 18 or 20 even if the family had survived. Poor kid. Might honestly have been the only person in that room who was somewhat fortunate to have been killed on 7/17/18. I just don't know how much longer he had to live and with the suffering that it caused both him (physically) and his family (mentally). Just a very unique, bizarre, and ultimately tragic life for dear Alyosha :-(

As far as his reaction to his father's abdication it might be worth checking out Gilliard's 'Thirteen Years in the Russian Court" memoirs. He talks about Alexei being stunned and confused, more than angry or upset. That he never did question his father's decision or inquire about his own rights to succession. He was more concerned for his father's well being than anything else, as though it mattered only that his dad be returned safely to his family where they could live their lives together.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 11:14:36 PM »
I tink after the accident at Tobolsk Alexei was just very, very tired. There's that famous quote, "I am not afraid to die, but I am afraid of what they will do to us here," which he apparently said to Alexandra upon his arrival in Ekaterinburg. I've never come across any documentation of Alexei's immediate reaction to Nicholas' abdication, but doctors and his parents knew that he was a sick boy and the prospects of him even living long enough to be tsar were slim. I think the best way to depict Alexei would be as a sad, sick, tired boy who's been in pain all his life and just wants to be left in peace.

I think he may have been more than just tired. It's possible that he was dying, slowly. His body had been through too much. He did have a relatively healthy period before his most recent attack left him unable to walk, but I skeptical as to whether he would have lived to see 18 or 20 even if the family had survived. Poor kid. Might honestly have been the only person in that room who was somewhat fortunate to have been killed on 7/17/18. I just don't know how much longer he had to live and with the suffering that it caused both him (physically) and his family (mentally). Just a very unique, bizarre, and ultimately tragic life for dear Alyosha :-(

As far as his reaction to his father's abdication it might be worth checking out Gilliard's 'Thirteen Years in the Russian Court" memoirs. He talks about Alexei being stunned and confused, more than angry or upset. That he never did question his father's decision or inquire about his own rights to succession. He was more concerned for his father's well being than anything else, as though it mattered only that his dad be returned safely to his family where they could live their lives together.

Got it then.  Would Olga's spouse then have had a claim on the throne, if Alexei was an invalid or dead?  I think a great subplot to insert would be the struggle of several White emigre nobles (and foreign nobles) over the hand of Olga, in that case.

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 11:24:52 PM »
Also, based on material from this forum, this is what I have in terms of characterization for the Imperial Family.  Feel free to comment:

Nicholas II: simple--but not simple-minded (quite clever in his own way), emotionally repressed, resigned.  ISTP
Alexandra: somewhat self-absorbed, still thinks of herself as the Empress. ESFJ

Alexei: perceptive, logical, melancholic, introverted.  INTP
Anastasia: childlike, capricious, extroverted.  ESFP/ENFP
Maria: sensitive, romantic, introverted--the one who thinks and talks about boys the most.  ISFP
Tatiana: levelheaded, strong-willed, organized, extroverted.  classic ESTJ
Olga: prone to strong emotions but not necessarily sensitive to others, introverted. INFJ

Also, other characters:

Misha Karchenko: rambunctious, profane, good improviser.  ESTP
Ben: a cold chessmaster, denies his own emotions.  INTJ
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 12:04:58 AM »
That seems pretty accurate to me 'T_co' and an interesting list of defining characteristics you've created. The only one I might consider a bit incomplete is 'Olga'. The eldest and probably the smartest of the children her personally was also most complex.

To your previous post, who are we considering to be Olga's spouse. If not a Romanov cousin, then, no, I don't think they'd have any claim to the throne. It would be more likely that the Pauline Laws of succession could be changed by Nicholas himself to allow for his eldest daughter to reign...as Catherine the Great did a century before the Grand Duchess was born.

As far as the actual line of succession went after Alexei it would have fallen to Michael Alexandrovich. He however was killed five days before the imperial family was murdered, so next in line would be the members of Vladimirovichi family starting with Kirill who lived until 1938. Following along those lines you'd have Kirill's only son Vladimir Kirillovich, 1917-1992 as claimant to the throne, and now the title of Emperor would theoretically fall way down the line to the aptly named Nicholas Romanovich Romanov. His current title as the 'Head of the House of Romanov' is never the less under dispute. He's also ninety years old now and never gave birth to a son meaning his 86-year old brother Prince Dimitri Romanov is next in line, I believe followed by 59-year old Prince Alexis Andreevich Romanov...grandson of GD Alexander "Sandro" Mikhailovich.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 04:56:13 AM »
I guess this Ben guy is where the sci-fi angel is gonna come in.  Is he a time traveller from the future, I wonder?
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2013, 06:28:10 AM »
I guess this Ben guy is where the sci-fi angel is gonna come in.  Is he a time traveller from the future, I wonder?

He's a guy who fell through a crack in time, and got his memory wiped as a result.