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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2009, 02:17:40 PM »
I came across with this ancestry of Countess Alexandra von Schonborn, princess Franceso of B.Sicilies.

One of her ancestors was Vyroubov.
Could he be related to Anna or was that a common family name ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en&m=A&i=1148738&v=6&t=N&sosab=10&siblings=on&notes=on&src=on&bd=0&color=

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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2009, 02:43:07 PM »
Are there any available letters of Ania to Nicky such that? 

I don't recall ever seeing any, nor any letters from A.V. to Alexandra, for that matter. IMO, the imperial couple likely burned their letters from Vyrubova. Following Rasputin's murder there were death threats against Vyrubova, so I think N&A were aware that their friend was not popular with the public.
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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2009, 02:59:43 PM »
Alexandra indeed burned letters, like Vyrburova did. For Nicholas I am not certain. What about 1917 - 1918 correspondence, Sarushka? Children wrote to her,I know. N&A? 
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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2009, 03:37:45 PM »
Yes Nena you are correct. Both Anna and Alexandra did burn some personal correspondence during the 1917 revolution. In Anna's book, there are some letters between the two while the family was in Tobolsk, using code names. Alexandra called Anna "Sister Seraphine" and signed herself as "Sinful sister Feodora."

You are also right that the children wrote to her. The letters are here:

http://alexanderpalace.org/russiancourt/XXII.html

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2009, 03:42:25 PM »
I came across with this ancestry of Countess Alexandra von Schonborn, princess Franceso of B.Sicilies.

One of her ancestors was Vyroubov.
Could he be related to Anna or was that a common family name ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en&m=A&i=1148738&v=6&t=N&sosab=10&siblings=on&notes=on&src=on&bd=0&color=

This person could not be related to Anna, only possibly her ex husband. Vyrubov(a) was her married name. Her family name was Taneyev(a)

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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2009, 03:44:03 PM »
What about 1917 - 1918 correspondence, Sarushka? Children wrote to her,I know. N&A? 

Lemur is correct that the imperial family wrote to Vyrubova during their captivity. However, the whole family burned the majority (perhaps all) of the letters they'd received in captivity when Yakovlev arrived in Tobolsk in April of 1918.
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2009, 03:44:52 PM »
For female members surname is with 'a'. Thank you, Lemur for your link and infos!  ;)
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2009, 04:08:57 PM »
On the subject of "jealousy" over Nicholas, I found this in the same chapter of Anna's book, just below the letters:

http://alexanderpalace.org/russiancourt/XXII.html

She had her human faults and failings, as she freely admits. Some of these traits can be described, as the French express it, as "the faults of her quality." Thus her great love for her husband, which never ceased to be romantic and youthful, caused her at times cruel heart pangs. Because this has nothing to do with her life or her story I should not allude to the one cloud that ever came between us-jealousy. I should leave that painful, fleeting episode alone, knowing that she would wish it forgotten, except that in certain letters which have been published she herself has spoken of it so bitterly that were I to omit mention of it entirely I might be accused of suppressing facts.

I have, I think, spoken frankly of the preference of the Emperor for my society at times, in long walks, in tennis, in conversation. In the early part of 1914 the Empress was ill, very low-spirited, and full of morbid reflections. She was much alone, as the Emperor was occupied many hours every day, arid the children were busy with their lessons. In the Emperor's leisure moments he developed a more than ordinary desire for my companionship, perhaps only because I was an entirely healthy, normal woman, heart and soul devoted to the family, and one from whom it was never necessary to keep anything secret. We were much together in those days, and before either of us realized it the Empress became mortally jealous and suspicious of every movement of her husband and of myself. In letters written during this period, especially from the Crimea during the spring of 1914, the Empress said some very unkind and cruel things of me, or at least I should consider them cruel if they had not been rooted in illness, and in physical and mental misery. Of course the Court knew of the estrangement between us, and I regret to say that there were many who delighted in it and did what they could to make it permanent. My only real friends were Count Fredericks, Minister of the Court, and his two daughters, who stood by me loyally and kept me in courage.

That this illusion of jealousy was entirely dissipated, that the Empress finally realized that my love and devotion for her precluded any possibility of the things she feared, her letters to me from Siberia amply demonstrate. Our friendship became more deeply cemented than before, and nothing but death can ever sever the bond between us.

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2009, 03:37:01 AM »
Wow, I've never seen this, lemur. Thank you soo much!

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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2009, 11:08:59 AM »
Wow Lemur! Thank you!

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2009, 08:15:37 PM »
I just knew last night that Anna V. is younger than Alexandra! I thought they were just the  same age! No offence for Anna V.

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« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2009, 11:58:05 AM »
I just knew last night that Anna V. is younger than Alexandra! I thought they were just the  same age! No offence for Anna V.

Yes, Ana Vyrubova was born on July 16th, 1884, and Alix was born on November 1st, 1872.

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« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2009, 12:30:34 PM »
July 16th -- interesting. (I think Alexandra though about her on same day in 1918). BTW, if calendares matches, of course.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2009, 12:34:52 PM »
July 16th -- interesting. (I think Alexandra though about her on same day in 1918). BTW, if calendares matches, of course.

LOL Unfortunately I don't know which calendar that is... silly me... :-[

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2009, 01:42:38 PM »
I just knew last night that Anna V. is younger than Alexandra! I thought they were just the  same age! No offence for Anna V.

Yes, Ana Vyrubova was born on July 16th, 1884, and Alix was born on November 1st, 1872.

Alexandra was born on June 6, not Nov 1st. It was Alexandra's sister Ella who was born on Nov Ist.