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Offline Andrei Beanov

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Re: The Box
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2013, 07:33:15 AM »
I have recently noticed that some items which I thought were taken by Sokolov with him in some suitcases when he left Russia with General Janin have appeared on display.
Some of them are listed in his book. Does this mean ( as I assume ) that they have recently been returned to Russia from wherever they were ?
At the recent exhibitions of the 400th Romanov Anniversary the following items have appeared on display :

Botkins teeth......


Photos from Ipatiev house........


Pillowcases.....


Tatiana glove.......


Wall writing from Ipatiev house........


Sokolov's Diary


Alexandras pearl earing......


Nicholas cufflinks


Alexandra's Diary


Nicholas Diary


and other things , ikons , personal belongings etc , these are just a few photos I have been sent....... ???

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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2013, 07:37:56 AM »
or am I mistaken somehow ?
Maybe some of these things ( like the diaries ) were taken by Yurovsky when he left Ekaturinburg , and have been in storage ever since ??
Any ideas ??

here's some more photos :

In glass cabinets - Looks like a suitcase , brown satchel , various ikons , photo of Sokolov , brownie camera , leather jacket & sabre sword ,
desk - from Ipatiev ?? - I don't have any closeup photo - I try to get.......  :-)



Photo frame ? Alexandra - made of Lapis Lazuli & gemstones.....



Some things Sokolov found at mineshaft ???



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Re: The Box
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2013, 11:02:00 AM »
Yes, these are all things Sokolov found during his investigations.  There is a list of everything he found, including these things in his Report, and the pearl earring is photographed in it as well.

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Re: The Box
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2013, 10:48:27 PM »
These are nice photos -- I've never seen the teeth or the earring in color before.
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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2013, 01:47:22 AM »
Perhaps these items HAVE been in Russian archives all along - I have dug out my Sokolov books - I quote :

"In his memoirs General Janin states that there were 3 heavy suitcases and a strongbox . The inventory included 311 items , all of which were turned over to senior Russian Ambassador - M.N de Giers "

then Paul Petrovich Bulygin ( Sokolovs assistant ) says in 1935  - "according to information obtained by the German police , these were sent onto Moscow via Prague "

Sokolov lists items as follows :

No.112,113 Pearl Earing.
No.128 - 135 Telegrams - These now all on display in museum.
No.95 -  Botkin false teeth - In museum.
No.60,61,81 - Ikons
No.62,63 - Personal Items.
No.55 - Bullets
No.53  - Wall writing

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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2013, 02:28:10 AM »
Here's some more :

No.129 Chekas appointed as guards in Ipatiev House.



Other docs relating to detainment at Ekaturinburg.



Documents by Yurovsky with instructions to guards.



No.76or77or78 not sure.

Voikov sulphuric acid purchase.



No.128 Famous Telegram to Sverdlov.



Another one not in my edition of Sokolov but maybe in original French edition..


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Re: The Box
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2013, 03:15:47 AM »
Some more documents from the time of Sokolov investigation. Names of Sokolov , Sergeyev , Dietrichs , Kolchak , Nametkin etc appear.

My Russian is poor so someone else could interpret better than me.























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Re: The Box
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2013, 08:17:06 PM »
Sotheby's held an auction in London on 5th April 1990 of documents & photographs relating to the Russian Imperial House some of which came from the the Sokolov archive. The fragment of yellow wallpaper inscribed with the Belsatzar stanza was included. It is identical to the photos in the post by Woody3697
The notes explaining the history of the items states that they were inherited by Prince Nicholas Vladimirovich Orlov  1895-1961 on the death of Sokolov's widow.

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Re: The Box
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2013, 03:53:01 PM »
Really cool to see these items in color. Thanks for sharing them, Woody.
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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2013, 01:23:27 AM »
The whole thing got me to re-read some of my books re Sokolov box/s & report & documents . Seems the various books contradict each other regarding how many box's there were , where they went & to whom , what ended up in the church in Brussels , which went back to Russia , which the Germans stole etc etc etc. Even King & Wilson seem unsure in chapter 17 of their book.....so my un-educated guess is as follows :

**Sokolv Reports - 1 in Henry Ford collection , 1 in Russian archives , 1 at Harvard Uni , 1 in 'private collection' , any others unknown.
**All Original Documents & Telegrams etc all back in Russia.
**Bones , skin , fat , blood , finger etc - still unknown , Maybe buried in cemetary by GD Kirill or still in box in Brussels church  ?
**The box in Church contains ?? a few personal items minus the false teeth of Botkin ?

Intriging.......

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Re: The Box
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2013, 02:42:27 AM »
I have found out that 1 set documents/copy went to Russian Fed in Sept. 1997 from Prince Hans Adam 2nd of Liechtenstein .

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Re: The Box
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2013, 10:09:34 PM »
As far as I know, there is a box of Imperial remains buried in a wall in the Russian Orthodox Church of St. Job. I understand that the church has conditions, which have yet to be met, before the box will be released for burial.