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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #420 on: December 03, 2013, 04:51:59 AM »
That's a wonderful link, thank you! A quick look already showed me some better-quality versions of images I have and I'm sure there's plenty of new ones to be found once I start going through the albums systematically.

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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #421 on: December 03, 2013, 07:52:14 AM »
From the link, the Nicholas photo was new to me. Could these be from 1914? It looks as though one of the girls might be standing behind Nicholas wearing the dot dress from the 1914 holiday photos.


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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #422 on: December 03, 2013, 09:16:43 AM »
Hawt Dawg! That's a great link!
Thank you so much Tatiana Z for all these amazing photos, and thank you rand Duchess Kassy for the link!

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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #423 on: December 03, 2013, 01:10:19 PM »
From the link, the Nicholas photo was new to me. Could these be from 1914? It looks as though one of the girls might be standing behind Nicholas wearing the dot dress from the 1914 holiday photos.



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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #424 on: December 04, 2013, 12:08:06 AM »
Well it certainly seems to be the polka dot blouse that we see from their holiday in Finland in 1914, but we do see them later on as well, so unfortunately it doesn't secure the year.
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« Reply #425 on: December 04, 2013, 07:00:15 AM »
Yes, it's Peterhof.
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #426 on: December 04, 2013, 07:02:02 AM »
Is that 1917 at Tsarskoe? I only ask because the man behind Olga appears to be Derevenko, who wouldn't have been there at the time.

Derevenko may indeed have been there. Charlotte Zeepvat's book Romanov Autumn presents evidence to suggest that Vyrubova's story of Derevenko abandoning the imperial family is false.
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #427 on: December 04, 2013, 08:46:17 AM »
Charlotte Zeepvat's book Romanov Autumn presents evidence to suggest that Vyrubova's story of Derevenko abandoning the imperial family is false.
Is that me or Vyrubova's stories are bit suspicious sometimes?
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #428 on: December 04, 2013, 09:09:05 AM »
Is that 1917 at Tsarskoe? I only ask because the man behind Olga appears to be Derevenko, who wouldn't have been there at the time.

Derevenko may indeed have been there. Charlotte Zeepvat's book Romanov Autumn presents evidence to suggest that Vyrubova's story of Derevenko abandoning the imperial family is false.

Really???

The whole story about him turning on Alexei, making him "serve" Derevenko, and then Derevenko jumping ship?

Obviously I need to read Romanov Autumn, but why would Vyrubova make that up?

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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #429 on: December 04, 2013, 09:15:05 AM »
Charlotte Zeepvat's book Romanov Autumn presents evidence to suggest that Vyrubova's story of Derevenko abandoning the imperial family is false.
Is that me or Vyrubova's stories are bit suspicious sometimes?

I don't think it's you. She's at best a dubious source, lacking imagination and perspective on the broader issues, and displaying questionable honesty on those topics relating to more private affairs.

I never really bought into the stories of Derevenko belittling Alexei and then abandoning the imperial family. Not only because it's hard to imagine given his character, but if such acts did take place the way Vyrubova suggests how was she apparently the only witness to them?

Knowing how dunderheaded Anna could be, is it possible that she could actually have been referring to Doctor Derevenko and not Alexei's sailor nanny? Not that the good Doctor's loyalty was ever in question - accompanying the family to Tobolsk and traveling with them to Ekaterinburg - but I can imagine him, perhaps, forgetting his place and lecturing Alexei at one point (stress, irritation, etc). I believe he took up the role of teaching the children science while attending to Alexei's medical needs with Botkin during captivity, yes?

It just sounds like one of those stories that might have gotten mangled. That or the product of a personal vendetta she had against Sailor Derevenko who might have, at one time, argued with or insulted her. If the last part is true it actually improves his reputation in my book. "The Cow" deserved a good scolding!
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #430 on: December 04, 2013, 02:55:19 PM »
Who called her The Cow?
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #431 on: December 04, 2013, 03:20:53 PM »
Who called her The Cow?

Alexandra did from time to time.
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #432 on: December 04, 2013, 05:17:37 PM »
As.... an affectionate term? lol
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #433 on: December 04, 2013, 05:21:14 PM »
As.... an affectionate term? lol

Eh. I think it was intended to be playful but Alexandra only seemed to use it when she was annoyed by Anna. So...
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Re: Rare Pictures XII
« Reply #434 on: December 05, 2013, 12:13:12 PM »
Is that 1917 at Tsarskoe? I only ask because the man behind Olga appears to be Derevenko, who wouldn't have been there at the time.

Derevenko may indeed have been there. Charlotte Zeepvat's book Romanov Autumn presents evidence to suggest that Vyrubova's story of Derevenko abandoning the imperial family is false.

Indeed Derevenko was there. At 1 July 1917 he was officially appointed as kamerdiner for Alexei Nikolaevitch. How did he behave, I don't know, there are differents accounts, but it's a fact he was there, a least some time. According to Pankratov, the reason why he did not go to Tobolsk is the following. He had to present bills (accounts) of what Alexei expend every month. He wrote Kobylinski that the former Tsetsarevitch used for 700 roubles of boots during one month. It was quite a lot of money and of course false. So he was let in Petrograd and Nagorny went to Tobolsk... and to death. But Derevenko did not give up and was waiting for he would be sent to Siberia, to Alexei. He regularly received letters of Nagorny from Tobolsk and wrote to Mrs Geringer about how are they and about his wish to join them.
So, nothing of a treator, you see.