Plaoutine family

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Also the fact that Kyrl and his brother are both (Count) is evidence the titles were minor civil service awards

Oh no, the comital title (Finnish) was bestowed on Cyrill Armfelt's great great grandfather Baron Gustaf Mauritz Armfelt (1757 - 1814), a favourite of Alexander I (and formerly of Gustav III of Sweden!), who was condemned to death because of treacherous plotting in Sweden and played a key role in Finland's smooth transition to Russian rule (with considerable autonomy) in 1809. The Armfelt family are still members of the House of Knights of both Finland and Sweden.

Sarah, may I ask if you are a descendant of Armfelt (and Oxenstierna, de la Gardie and these other grand names)? Anyway you are fortunate to be linked to them.

BTW I just read that in Russian Плаутин / Plautin would not be pronounced with a diphtong, as diphtongs don't really exist in Rusian, but with the /a/ and /u/ separate. One learns something new all the time!

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Превед: Thanks for that great info about how the Armfelts actually got their title. I will certainly make a note of that.

As for being related to the Armfelts . . . no. But I have been working on tracing their family as a sort of research project for two years now. It started with William Wilberforce, the Clapham Sect and the Abolition of the British Slave-Trade --- and has led all the way to Imperial Russia! If you would like to know the story, I'll be more than happy to send a Private Message to you about it --- as well as fill in how I came to be looking for Plaoutines, Denissieffs and Armfelts.

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In the presence of Alexander Zeverschoff, General, at Villefranche sur Mer/??  Maritime

Alpes-Maritimes :-)

That's intriguing, Sarah, I'd love to hear more.

[Marina Spb]

 Hi,Sarah!
I'm interested in the genealogy of my family.Denisieva-surname of my grandmother.So,I want to tell you about Sergey Fedorovich Denisiev(Denissieff)-husband of Vera
Sergeevna Plautina.
 He was the son of a naval officer.He was born in 1869.He had an estate in Kostroma and the house in St.Petersburg.Sergey graduated from St.Petersburg Mining Institute
in 1893,then he worked as a mining engineer in the Monetary mint.He was member of a company of mechanical and metallurgical Shipyard.He was also member of English
Club and member of society "Nersery"(Ясли).Sergey was chairman of the Society of figure skating in Yusupov garden.
 In 1895-1928 he lived on Ekateringofsky Prospect 65-67,Mikhailovskaya Street 1-7,Ligovsky Prospect 25,Nevsky Prospect 90,Dvortzovaya Embankment 22,Millionnaya
Street 25.In 1922 Sergey was arrested on false charges and imprisoned. I don't know what had happened with him.
 His brother,Denisiev Peter Fedorovich,was born in 1865.He graduated from St.Petersburg University and worked in the public Nobles Land Bank.He lived on Nevsky Prospect 90.
He had a great collection of postcards.In 1935 Peter Fedorovich and his wife,Alexandra Nicholaevna,were exiled to Ufa.
 Peter had son,Sergey,who graduated from Military School and was retired lieutenat.
 Vera Sergeevna Denisieva(Plautina) died in 1917,she was buried at Novodevichy cementry in St.Petersburg.Her grave was not saved.Not far from her tomb there were two
tombs-Fedor Petrovich Denisiev,Capitan 1st Rank(1825-1875) and his wife,Nadezhda Petrovna Denisieva(1844-1891).I think,that they are parents of Peter and Sergey.
The graves were not saved.
 Unfortunately,much remains unknown and may be someone else can help us to learn more about families of Denisiev and Plautin.
 Sarah!Why are you interested these families and from what documents do you know,that Sergey Fedorovich Denisiev died in 1926?

   Best regards,
          Marina.

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Hello! Sorry to be so long in answering this, but I only just found this reply. Am sending a detailed answer through a private message, but I wanted to post here as well.

This is fabulous info --- and very welcome! I am particularly thrilled with the info about Vera's grave and the cemetery. Too bad that her tomb was not saved. I have a note saying that she died in Spring 1916 of Pneumonia, but narrowing these dates down can be tricky. If anyone else has anything to add to this, I am very interested.

The info about Sergey Denisiev's death being in 1926 came from a note from his wife's cousin. All she wrote about his was that he died in Petrograd in 1926 and was an engineer. It may be wrong, but if anyone else has info on that . . .

Regards,
Sarah

Hi,Sarah!
I'm interested in the genealogy of my family.Denisieva-surname of my grandmother.So,I want to tell you about Sergey Fedorovich Denisiev(Denissieff)-husband of Vera
Sergeevna Plautina.
 He was the son of a naval officer.He was born in 1869.He had an estate in Kostroma and the house in St.Petersburg.Sergey graduated from St.Petersburg Mining Institute
in 1893,then he worked as a mining engineer in the Monetary mint.He was member of a company of mechanical and metallurgical Shipyard.He was also member of English
Club and member of society "Nersery"(Ясли).Sergey was chairman of the Society of figure skating in Yusupov garden.
 In 1895-1928 he lived on Ekateringofsky Prospect 65-67,Mikhailovskaya Street 1-7,Ligovsky Prospect 25,Nevsky Prospect 90,Dvortzovaya Embankment 22,Millionnaya
Street 25.In 1922 Sergey was arrested on false charges and imprisoned. I don't know what had happened with him.
 His brother,Denisiev Peter Fedorovich,was born in 1865.He graduated from St.Petersburg University and worked in the public Nobles Land Bank.He lived on Nevsky Prospect 90.
He had a great collection of postcards.In 1935 Peter Fedorovich and his wife,Alexandra Nicholaevna,were exiled to Ufa.
 Peter had son,Sergey,who graduated from Military School and was retired lieutenat.
 Vera Sergeevna Denisieva(Plautina) died in 1917,she was buried at Novodevichy cementry in St.Petersburg.Her grave was not saved.Not far from her tomb there were two
tombs-Fedor Petrovich Denisiev,Capitan 1st Rank(1825-1875) and his wife,Nadezhda Petrovna Denisieva(1844-1891).I think,that they are parents of Peter and Sergey.
The graves were not saved.
 Unfortunately,much remains unknown and may be someone else can help us to learn more about families of Denisiev and Plautin.
 Sarah!Why are you interested these families and from what documents do you know,that Sergey Fedorovich Denisiev died in 1926?

   Best regards,
          Marina.

[Marina Spb]

   Hello,Sarah!
In 2003 in St.Petersburg was published the book "Novodevichy cementry"("Новодевичье кладбище",Н.Л.Маркина,CПб,издательство"Белое и черное",2003).There are lists of
graves of those,who had been buried in 1850-1930.Information for this book was taken from the archives:
 №3313: Denisieva Vera Sergeevna,the wife of a mining engineer,died on 24 of May,1917.Bural place 32 CH 12(Plan of 1885).On plan of 1992-the grave was not saved.It's
possible to find the square(13/13 metres),where is the grave.
 The graves were destroyed after the revolution.Reconstruction of the cementry began only after 1969.
 From books about figure skating,I learned,that Sergey Fedorovich Denisiev in 1923-1928 was organizer of competitions skates in St.Petersburg.He died(преждевременно погиб)
on 3 of September,1928.

   Best regards,
        Marina.

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   Hello,Sarah!
In 2003 in St.Petersburg was published the book "Novodevichy cementry"("Новодевичье кладбище",Н.Л.Маркина,CПб,издательство"Белое и черное",2003).There are lists of
graves of those,who had been buried in 1850-1930.Information for this book was taken from the archives:
 №3313: Denisieva Vera Sergeevna,the wife of a mining engineer,died on 24 of May,1917.Bural place 32 CH 12(Plan of 1885).On plan of 1992-the grave was not saved.It's
possible to find the square(13/13 metres),where is the grave.
 The graves were destroyed after the revolution.Reconstruction of the cementry began only after 1969.
 From books about figure skating,I learned,that Sergey Fedorovich Denisiev in 1923-1928 was organizer of competitions skates in St.Petersburg.He died(преждевременно погиб)
on 3 of September,1928.

   Best regards,
        Marina.

Thank you SO much! Wow! That is great information. I appreciate the date for her death. I would certainly trust your cemetery archives. The note that I have comes from a small book written by Vera's youngest daughter, Mariamne. She remembered her mother dying in Spring of 1916, but she would have been ten or eleven years old (and she wrote the book when she was 84 years old) and probably just got confused with the dates.

I really appreciate the date and info about Serge Denisiev. I really don't know anything about him other than your first post about him. Do you know where he is buried? He sent his two surviving daughters to live with their maternal grandparents in France at the start of the Revolution. There were two sons, Serjack and Alec (Serge and Alexander), who stayed in Russia. I know that Serjack served in the war and died fighting with the White Russians around 1922. I do not know what happened to Alec --- the last thing that I can find is that he was living in the Autumn of 1917. Do you know anything about these two boys? How are you related?

I have a picture of Serge Denisiev, several of Vera and some of their children. Would you like to see them? If so, let me know and I will gladly e-mail them.

Regards,
Sarah

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I have just been able to find some photos of the Plaoutine and Denissieff families. I posted them in a separate thread in this board, as there are a good amount of them and it takes some scrolling! Hope you all enjoy putting faces with the names as much as I have.

[Marina Spb]

    Hi,Sarah!

  My grandmother,Denisieva Lidiya Sergeevna(1912-1999),belongs to the branch of the family from Kursk,Sergey Fedorovich-to the branch from Kostroma( I think so).But their
families communicated.My grandmother told me,that in her childhood with parents she visited Sergey Fedorovich in his house and called him "uncle Serezha",so I think,that they
were relatives.I also want to find his bural place.
 Denisiev Alexander Sergeevich was a student of the Imperial Alexander Lyceum(in 1914-1918).
 Denisiev Sergey Sergeevich was also a studend of the Imperial Alexander Lyceum(in 1912-1918).
There is information,that they died  in 1919(but it may be wrong).
 Sergey Fedorovich lived at the address Khalturina(Millionnaya)street,25.After his death(in 1929-1931),Elizaveta Alexandrovna Denisieva(?) lived at this address.
 I'm very glad to read the story about them and to see their pictures!

    Best regards,
         Marina.

[BingandNelsonFan]

   Hi,Sarah!

  My grandmother,Denisieva Lidiya Sergeevna(1912-1999),belongs to the branch of the family from Kursk,Sergey Fedorovich-to the branch from Kostroma( I think so).But their
families communicated.My grandmother told me,that in her childhood with parents she visited Sergey Fedorovich in his house and called him "uncle Serezha",so I think,that they
were relatives.I also want to find his bural place.
 Denisiev Alexander Sergeevich was a student of the Imperial Alexander Lyceum(in 1914-1918).
 Denisiev Sergey Sergeevich was also a studend of the Imperial Alexander Lyceum(in 1912-1918).
There is information,that they died  in 1919(but it may be wrong).
 Sergey Fedorovich lived at the address Khalturina(Millionnaya)street,25.After his death(in 1929-1931),Elizaveta Alexandrovna Denisieva(?) lived at this address.
 I'm very glad to read the story about them and to see their pictures!

    Best regards,
         Marina.

Very, very interesting! There is a photo showing Alexander and and Sergey Denisiev in "Lycee" uniform, which is dated c. 1917. The family note that I have says that Sergey was killed in 1921 while fighting with White Russian Forces. There is a note to say that Alexander died of pneumonia. Maybe he died in 1919. If he was a student in 1918, then he must have died after that time.

Do you know anything about their younger sister, Iya? All that I can find says that she was born in 1904 and died of pneumonia sometime between 1911 and Autumn 1917.

I was most interested to read that the Denisievs lived at 25 Millionnaya Street. That was the Plaoutine's house before the Revolution! Do you know what years Sergey Fedorovich lived there?

Regards,
Sarah

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Have been going through all kinds of papers trying to sort these families (Plaoutine, Denissieff and Scherbatoff) out. I've got copies of some papers written by a niece of Serge and Eleanor Plaoutine. She wrote various memories down in the 1980s (when she was in her 90s), so sorting them out and putting them in order is quite a challenge!

Between these memories and the book written by Mariamne Denissieff Smith, I am trying to piece together info on Serge and Vera Denissieff's (nee Plaoutine) daughter, Iya. Hardly any mentions of her, but she has to "be out there" somewhere! Here is what I know:

Iya Denissieff (means "Violet" in Greek)
Born: 1904
Sent to live with grandparents (Serge and Eleanor Plaoutine) in Nice, France at the start of the Revolution.
Married a man whose last name is "Serebriakoff".
Had 2 children.
Died of pneumonia.

I am assuming that she married in Nice, or the vicinity. Don't know, though. Am certainly hoping that someone else may be able to help with finding more than this. Thanks in advance!

Sarah