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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2005, 09:23:15 PM »
Well, she's been dead for a while now!  ;D

But seriously -- Dr and Mrs Botkin seem to have grown apart, in large part because of the amount of time he had to spend at his official duties.  She had an extra-marital affair with her children's German tutor; there was a divorce; and she left Russia for Germany, where she married the tutor.  

The Botkin children stayed in contact with her, and it seems that the family remained affectionately attached to her.
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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2005, 09:42:39 PM »
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 Wasn't Botkin's wife dead for a while?


I don't exactly remember whose wife it was. Does anyone else know?  ???

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2005, 09:51:47 PM »
I think it was Mrs. Botkin since I recall reading it in Gleb's book...

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2005, 09:55:29 PM »
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I think it was Mrs. Botkin since I recall reading it in Gleb's book...


Thanks Lanie. I just thought that was very "sassy" of Alexei. He was only around three or four years old.  :)

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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2005, 10:00:45 PM »
Aleksey was known to pull his rank as a child and on one occasion he walked into his father's study told a minister who was waiting to be received by the Tsar that one must be standing when the Heir enters a room.  I believe that also happened when he was three or four.  The incident was described in Massie's "Nicholas And Alexandra".
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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2005, 10:52:48 PM »
Dasha, thanks for mentioning that incident. Fairly typical behavior from a child that age, actually . . . not that I've worked with a tsarevich, but I have worked with kids that age, and many of them are at that point becoming quite self-possessed!

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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2005, 11:44:50 PM »
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Dasha, thanks for mentioning that incident. Fairly typical behavior from a child that age, actually . . . not that I've worked with a tsarevich, but I have worked with kids that age, and many of them are at that point becoming quite self-possessed!


Yes Janet, it's only too true.  I worked with children as well, and at certain times it's almost impossible to get them to listen, because apparently at home they are allowed to rule the roost.  As I have stated before, I'm quite outraged by parents who believe that their children are God's gift to Earth and can do whatever they please.  I tend to get the impression that Aleksey got that treatment because of his status and because he was the long-awaited and on top of that rather "fragile" son.
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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2005, 12:27:05 AM »
can anyone explain to me why did Alexei make soldiers get into the lake or what ever in full uniform? ???


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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2005, 07:41:07 AM »
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Dr and Mrs Botkin seem to have grown apart, in large part because of the amount of time he had to spend at his official duties.  She had an extra-marital affair with her children's German tutor; there was a divorce; and she left Russia for Germany, where she married the tutor.  


Ok, that explains why she wasn't really mentioned when Botkin's family was mentioned... Thanks!

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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2005, 11:10:15 AM »
Dasha, I agree, parents who expect others to fawn all over their children are doing their children a profound disservice. And what a ego trip it is, since these types of parents see their children only as extensions of their own psyches, and not as personalities-in-training who need guidance and guidelines!

But I was trying to put across that children who are in the three to four year old age bracket are at a stage when they are apt to strut a bit.  Or, as I remember from a long-ago class plus my own subsequent experiences, "the terrible twos" is a bit of a misnomer . . . it's actually right about three years of age when things can get hectic!

Understandably Nicholas and Alexandra were proud of their son. Not to mention protective, for reasons that we all know. But from what I've read, I think they were doing their utmost to mold him into a well-behaved tsarevich. Obviously Alexandra indulged him. And we've read accounts of Alexei's less-than-commendable behavior, plus others besides myself have mentioned that irrefutable bit of film in which he smacks a cadet.

It's a rare child, however, who can bear 24/7 scrutiny of his behavior.  I remember a boy from my childhood--also the family's only son--who was great fun as a child, then around the age of 10 became someone you definitely wanted to avoid. Foul language, foul behavior--especially toward us girls--etc.  Well, guess what. He grew up into the most approachable, congenial member of the family .  . . and the only one I've kept in touch with.  When I think back to Mike's former behavior, though, it makes it very easy to visualize the naughty to downright rotten behavior "Alexei the Terrible" could exhibit. Conversely, I also can visualize the kinder side of Alexei which so many memoirs have described.

As for those less-than-wonderful episodes, being a boy is part of it, if I may be forgiven that sexist statement!  ::) Then there's the matter of approaching adolescence. And, of course, being told that you are the tsarevich. A child can mistranslate that message--probably meant to convey a sense of responsibility--into one of self-importance. Just think of any child brought up amongst a household of servants . . . I can think of a number of real-life situations, but to be diplomatic, consider the bumptious little Mary of The Secret Garden.   ;)  Figure in the hot-house atmosphere meant to protect Alexei from injuring himself, and it all adds up to an interesting and in some ways unique case history, worthy of a child psychology thesis!

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2005, 08:57:55 PM »
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can anyone explain to me why did Alexei make soldiers get into the lake or what ever in full uniform? ???


 Sorry ...What are you talking about??

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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2005, 09:03:11 PM »
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can anyone explain to me why did Alexei make soldiers get into the lake or what ever in full uniform? ???


I've never heard of that before, AlexeiLVR. Where did you hear of Alexei doing this?  ???

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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2005, 09:43:39 PM »
I should like to pose a question.  How many of the incidents involving misbehavior on the part of Alexei Nikolaevich could reasonably be said to have occurred after the near-fatal bleeding incident at Spala in October 1912?  Can we assume that the boy grew out of an ornery stage after that, thanks to the good influences of Pierre Gilliard and Sydney Gibbes?

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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2005, 10:22:40 AM »
Spiridovich reports it occurred in Livadia.  Alexei ordered the guard to march into the water up to his neck.  When Nicholas found out, Alexei was punished.

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Re: His Manners and Behaviour
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2005, 11:30:38 AM »
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Spiridovich reports it occurred in Livadia.  Alexei ordered the guard to march into the water up to his neck.  When Nicholas found out, Alexei was punished.


Thanks FA. What a bad little boy!!!  :D