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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2005, 02:01:53 PM »
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 Gay men are not all sweet, empathetic creatures, alas!  


This is true! It's just a stereotype.


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I wonder if Alix held it against her for leaving Ernie...


Yes, she did, she really disliked Ducky for leaving Ernie and she didn't care about the reasons. Alix seems to have been rather judgmental about stuff like that...

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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2005, 09:02:52 AM »
What about Ferdinand of Bulgaria,  The last king of Saxony.. Carol I of Romania  Franz Joseph's Youngest brother. Ludwig of Bavaria.. And the king of Sweden and his son, husband of Marie Pavlona  jr.  Also the last King of Italy Umberto ?  Empress Anna Of Russia.  F.

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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2005, 09:05:44 AM »
And going back, Edward II of England, as well as James I.  

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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2005, 09:09:32 AM »
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What about Ferdinand of Bulgaria,  The last king of Saxony.. Carol I of Romania  Franz Joseph's Youngest brother. Ludwig of Bavaria.. And the king of Sweden and his son, husband of Marie Pavlona  jr.  Also the last King of Italy Umberto ?  Empress Anna Of Russia.  F.


Maria Pavlovna's husband? William? Is that so? If that's so, it throws a whole new light on Ella's sympathy with Maria when it came to her divorce.

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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2005, 09:13:47 AM »
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Maria Pavlovna's husband? William?


Oh yes.

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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2005, 09:18:38 AM »
When was this discovered? Before or after the wedding? I was always under the impression that the marriage failed because she didn't adapt well to life in Sweden & wouldn't accomodate the Swedish customs etc. Clearly, I've misjudged her! Were the rumours before the wedding? Could Ella, in her eagerness to marry Maria off to him have heard them? Surely not!

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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2005, 09:26:24 AM »
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When was this discovered? Before or after the wedding? I was always under the impression that the marriage failed because she didn't adapt well to life in Sweden & wouldn't accomodate the Swedish customs etc. Clearly, I've misjudged her! Were the rumours before the wedding? Could Ella, in her eagerness to marry Maria off to him have heard them? Surely not!


Since Ella herself married a gay man, I hardly think she'd have seen that as a bad thing ;)

I remember one story about Sandro confronting Felix before his marriage to Sandro's daughter Irina, where he said to him 'if only half the things I hear about you are true, you should not be getting married, to my daughter or any other woman' But it was all straightened out with the help of the Dowager Empress. I don't know how or what happened.

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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2005, 09:26:52 AM »
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When was this discovered? Before or after the wedding? I was always under the impression that the marriage failed because she didn't adapt well to life in Sweden & wouldn't accomodate the Swedish customs etc. Clearly, I've misjudged her! Were the rumours before the wedding? Could Ella, in her eagerness to marry Maria off to him have heard them? Surely not!
I think I read something about this in Maria P's memoirs, "Education of a Princess", but I can't remember the details now.... Or I may have read it somewhere else...

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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2005, 09:32:18 AM »
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Since Ella herself married a gay man, I hardly think she'd have seen that as a bad thing ;)

I remember one story about Sandro confronting Felix before his marriage to Sandro's daughter Irina, where he said to him 'if only half the things I hear about you are true, you should not be getting married, to my daughter or any other woman' But it was all straightened out with the help of the Dowager Empress. I don't know how or what happened.


I would have thought it was the other way round - since Ella married a (presumed) gay man she would have all the more reason not to let Maria gfo through what she had endured.

Helen, it couldn't possible have just been excuse on Maria's part could it, to explain the failure of her marriage? What happened to him afterwards? Did he ever remarry? Was it only Maria who made the claim - of course, being his wife she'd know him best, but I've never seen anything about him being gay before. (Not that I presume to have read everything  ;))



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Re: The Non-Hetero Royals
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2005, 09:32:50 AM »
I just added  these names to show it wasn't  just the Romanov's  Who had the gene.  All  Royal Europe  had it.  It was naturall Like me. F.

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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2005, 09:36:00 AM »
Of course it's not unnatural since even other species demostrate homosexual behavior.

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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2005, 09:37:27 AM »
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What about Ferdinand of Bulgaria,  The last king of Saxony.. Carol I of Romania  Franz Joseph's Youngest brother. Ludwig of Bavaria.. And the king of Sweden and his son, husband of Marie Pavlona  jr.  Also the last King of Italy Umberto ?  Empress Anna Of Russia.  F.


I read something quite amusing (well, to me!) about Ferdinand of Coburg in a Theo Aronsen book. The Kaiser, thinking Marie of Roumania 'a meddlesome English harlot' sent a 'posse' of his best looking officers to her to try to persuade her to persuade Ferdinand (of Roumania) to enter the war on the side of Germany.
It didn't work.
So he sent the same bunch of gorgeous guys to Ferdinand of Bulgaria...& he was persuaded!  :)

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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2005, 09:40:49 AM »
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Of course it's not unnatural since even other species demostrate homosexual behavior.


No, it's not unnatural...but it would be unnatural to marry off a young girl to man who was known to be gay, particularly if your own marriage had been 'somewhat lacklustre' because of it. (So Ella can't have known. :-/?)

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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2005, 09:41:34 AM »
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I would have thought it was the other way round - since Ella married a (presumed) gay man she would have all the more reason not to let Maria gfo through what she had endured.



I have a feeling that Ella may have taken the attitude of resignation on this one, as in "he is my husband and I must accept him the way he is because God wills it". So she wouldn't necessarily view it as a bad thing, just as a "God wanted it this way  and we must accept it" thing. She may not even thought that she "endured" anything, she may have just taken it in stride. Maybe she thought that as long as Sergei was good to her (whatever her definition of that was) the it was ok. Or maybe she was in complete denial about that, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that were the case...

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Helen, it couldn't possible have just been excuse on Maria's part could it, to explain the failure of her marriage? What happened to him afterwards? Did he ever remarry? Was it only Maria who made the claim - of course, being his wife she'd know him best, but I've never seen anything about him being gay before. (Not that I presume to have read everything  ;))



I will try to find my "Education of a Princess" book and see whether I read it there...


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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2005, 09:45:44 AM »
Thank you...please do! :)

Even if Ella didn't think she endured anything, she must have at least known (how could she not!!) that living a celbiate (presumed again) marriage was not the norm and surely wouldn't have expected anyone else to 'endure' it. (Even if she resigned herself to it & didn't see it as endurance.) (Although obviously Maria's marriage was more fruitful....Lennart at least)