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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #270 on: February 01, 2008, 02:09:59 PM »
Spiridovitch "Les Dernieres Annees..." Vol. 2 Ch. 19 "The Year 1914":

The fact that the two oldest Grand Duchesses, Olga and Tatiana Nicholaiovna, had reached their age of majority, gave rise to the idea in the heads of some of diplomats that one of them should be married to the Crown Prince of Romania.
   The father and son had both come to Petersburg at the beginning of that year; however the young man was badly brought up and little cultivated, and had a mop of uncombed hair, and so greatly displeased not only the Grand Duchesses, but the Empress herself.
   After their departure, they teased Olga quite a lot about that subject, and this always put her in a bad mood.
   The rumors about an imminent marriage of Grand Duchess Olga were firmly going around in the Crimea, after it was learned that Their Majesties were going to go to Romania.
   Olga Nicholaiovna would not be separated from her family.  "I shall never leave Russia" she said to one of those near to her.  "I shall never marry anyone who is not Orthodox" she declared that summer to one of the Officers of the Standardt.
   There were not just mere phrases.  One needed only look here in the face to see that she breathed sincerity, look in her clear and pure eyes to understand that as she pronounced these words, that the was saying them with the most intimate and sincere conviction, that her decision in these things was most firm.
   With all her being, with all her thoughts, Olga Nicholaiovna was a young Russian girl.  More than that, he had realized the ideal of the young Russian girls and she was quite conscious of it.
   The persons in the Tsar's entourage had heard for themselves all of the rumors about the eventual marriage, and everyone was of the opinion  that such a thing would not do for the daughter of a Tsar of Russia.  Everyone wished to see the Grand Duchesses marry Russians and stay in Russia.
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It was most unpleasant for us to listen to the absurd conversations of the Romanians about the occasion of the visit of the Russian sovereigns.  Our diplomat, who had done much to obtain a transfer to this post, committed a misstep which was rather humiliating for the Imperial Family.  He had listened to the last idiot in Constanza who had told him that the Tsar was bringing his daughters to Romania to marry them there.  Everyone among us was furious at our diplomats and were even more vexed at those storytellers who were repeating that story at that time about the marriage of one of our Grand Duchesses to the son of the Crown Prince, even though the matter had been definitely resolved, and was negative.  All those who knew the truth, however, were glad for it.
   Rather late in the evening, the port and town were illuminated, and the Standardt left Constanza, bringing the Imperial Family back to familiar waters, toward Odessa.
   Empress Alexandra Feodrovna was most upset about the stay in Constanza.  She said that our ambassador, Kosell-Poklevski, had arranged everything there stupidly.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #271 on: February 01, 2008, 03:02:49 PM »
Thank you FA, for this large quote, I could never translate that all! Do you know any picture about the 1917's visit and dinner.

Janet,
Carol attended at least the unformal lunch of the 8.01 and the official dinner of 9.01
See the Tsar's diary: 8.01
"After the liturgy I came to meet Carol, the romanian crownprince and took him at home. He had lunch with us. I received his suite, then I had a long conversation with him and with the President of the Concile of Ministers Bratiano.
9.01
We gave a dinner for Carol and all the Rumanians. Micha came also. Talked until 9.30.
There are nothing else about Carol in Nicolas'diary.

An other quote from Chebotareva's diary, about the dinner.
10.01 "At 11 AM I had a call from Tatiana Nikolaevna. She said: "The dinner for the rumanians guests was not too boring, but not espacially funny. After dinner Papa slide on the floor, the Rumanian overthrew his cup of coffee, Mari plop down, stayed sitting and indecently laught."
Yes, Carol could not speak privately with Olga, that was in the Spiridovitch's text, sorry, I forgot this world yesterday.

Has anyone the Marie of Roumanie's Memories. I read it a long time ago, can not remember if there is something there about this visit.

Raegan, could you PM me the complete quote for the Olga's diary of those day? Where did you find them? I have them not! I am waiting with curiosity!

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« Reply #272 on: February 01, 2008, 03:41:03 PM »
Raegan, could you PM me the complete quote for the Olga's diary of those day? Where did you find them? I have them not! I am waiting with curiosity!

I have researched in Russia and read Olga's 1917 diary (among other letters and diaries written by the Imperial Family). I hope that helps you. I will PM you as soon as possible.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #273 on: February 01, 2008, 04:37:18 PM »
I have pic. of Carol and Yugoslawia's king together(taken i :)n 1931), Alexander I-they were both in love with Olga Nicholaievna........
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #274 on: February 01, 2008, 05:25:21 PM »
In "Nicholas and Alexandra", Massie states that when Carol visited Russia during the war, he expressed an interest in marrying Maria N - not Olga N - but Nicholas thought she was too young - I don't have the book with me at the moment - what was Massie's source for this information?

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« Reply #275 on: February 02, 2008, 07:36:07 AM »
That is indeed in Massie's book, but he gave no source for that.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #276 on: May 12, 2008, 04:22:16 PM »
The one who gives infomation about Carol wanting Maria is actually Anna Vyrubova in her book.

"Prince Carol again visited the Russian Court, and now his young man's fancy rested on Marie. He made a formal proposal for her hand, but the Emperor, declaring that Marie was nothing more than a schoolgirl, good-naturedly laughed the Prince's proposal aside."

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« Reply #277 on: May 12, 2008, 07:06:02 PM »
Olga N. couldn't stand Prince Carol of Romania. Being stubborn, I'm not sure if she could've been persuaded, even by her own parents, to marry him, even for Russia's sake, or by Raison d'√Čtat. She wanted to stay in Russia, and if it meant being single, then so be it! Her romantic life was tragic...

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« Reply #278 on: May 12, 2008, 10:20:02 PM »
That's true, mr_harrison75. Carol and Olga didn't feel any affection for each other what so ever and struggled to make small talk. As Olga said herself, she was a Russian and intended to remain as such, and never leave her country. She would have loved to marry a Russian instead. I think, had she lived, she (including her sisters) would have made a beautiful wife and mother. It really is incredibly tragic for such a thing to happen to the lovely and compassionate Olga.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #279 on: May 13, 2008, 01:06:21 AM »
In The Last Tsar Edvard Radzinskij claims that Olga was in love with Dmitri Pavlovich, and that she "covered" this love in her patriotic words about staying Russian. (which would of course would be true if she could marry Dmitri)

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« Reply #280 on: May 13, 2008, 01:46:37 AM »
In my opinion, I don't think Olga was in love with her cousin Dmitri. I don't agree with Edvard Radzinsky's theory that she tried to cover up her love for him by saying that she was a Russian and wanted to stay in her country. There was only a talk of marriage between the two cousins. From what I've read, I can't seem to see of there to be any romance between Olga and Dmitri.

Here's a thread.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #281 on: May 13, 2008, 08:45:14 AM »
In my opinion, I don't think Olga was in love with her cousin Dmitri. I don't agree with Edvard Radzinsky's theory that she tried to cover up her love for him by saying that she was a Russian and wanted to stay in her country. There was only a talk of marriage between the two cousins. From what I've read, I can't seem to see of there to be any romance between Olga and Dmitri.

I agree. I don't know where Radzinsky gets his information, but I have a feeling it mostly comes from his overactive imagination... There is no evidence that there was any romance between Olga and Dmitri.

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« Reply #282 on: May 23, 2008, 05:28:14 PM »
There is no evidence that there was any romance between Olga and Dmitri.

Agreed.....

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #283 on: May 24, 2008, 09:21:33 AM »
I also agree there was not romance between Olga and Dmitri.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #284 on: August 24, 2008, 02:05:41 AM »
hi
i have just joined the forum but have been doing a lot of research on the romanovs. i remember reading somewhere that olga had at one point of time decided not to marry because she knew that alexi had got heamoplhilia from his mother and so she to pass by any chance to her own children although it did sometimes skip generations
could this be true