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« Reply #360 on: June 08, 2009, 04:42:22 PM »
I read in "The Camera and the Tsars by Charlotte Zeepvat" that Olga "nursed an innocent passion for a junior officer on the imperial yacht Shtandart. His name was Pavel Voronov"..."Voronov danced with Olga in October 1913 and from that day her diary is filled with sightings of 'S', as she called him, and misery when he was not around. It seemed he shared the feeling, but it was bound to end. In December came the announcement of Voronov's engagement to one of the ladies-in-waiting: 'God grant him good fortune, my beloved,' Olga wrote: 'It's sad, distressing.' Privately she thought of him for some time." I dare say that this junior officer was not a prospective husband for Tsar Nicholas II's eldest daughter. However, it is a vital part of Olga's personality.

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« Reply #361 on: June 29, 2009, 07:38:28 PM »
... she would have had to marry a royal from another Orthodox family.

Actually... wouldn't it be possible for her to marry a Russian soldier or colonel or so, just like Olga Alexandrovna did (after she divorced Peter of Oldenburg, of course) ? ...

Can she????

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« Reply #362 on: June 30, 2009, 09:57:32 AM »
Lisa Davidson,

I know I read somewhere that when Olga stated outright that she was not interested and refused Carol II for whatever reason,  Carol II decided to talked to the Tsar about a marriage arrangement with GD Marie.

Accordingly, Carol II had an in depth conversation with Tsar Nicolas II about a marriage alliance with Grand Duchess Marie but Tsar Nicholas II flatly explained to Carol II that Marie was too young to even begin to discuss marriage.

Do you have any other info on this subject.


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I wonder why Olga refused. Was she just not feeling much for him, or was she just not ready to leave home, or a little of both? I guess those questions will never be answered.

I know this has been said before, but I am one of many who wish so much that Nicholas and Alexandra would have married at least one of OTMA off, so that they/she could have been able to escape to another country in Europe and be saved.  You wonder if they would have had any inkling of the possible threat to the whole family as early as 1915 or 1916. It seems they didn't, and it makes it more tragic.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #363 on: June 30, 2009, 01:44:53 PM »
She refused because she wanted to marry an Orthodox man, and particular, she disliked him (Carol of Romania). Also, OTMA liked the soldiers,they carefully noted their names into a different notebooks -- so, marrying against their wills they probably accepted as impossible.

At least - Olga ,Tatiana ( tough,I've heard some rumors) and Maria  got chances for marrying themselves.
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« Reply #364 on: June 30, 2009, 05:38:35 PM »
She refused because she wanted to marry an Orthodox man, and particular, she disliked him (Carol of Romania). Also, OTMA liked the soldiers,they carefully noted their names into a different notebooks -- so, marrying against their wills they probably accepted as impossible.




But Carol was Orthodox, so that wasn't the reason.  I think that there was just no attraction on either side.  He was already having affairs at that time, and obviously he wasn't her "type".  Just because they were age and socially appropriate, it doesn't mean that there was any physical chemistry- and obviously, there just wasn't.
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« Reply #365 on: June 30, 2009, 06:24:59 PM »
Yes, he was (not sure, though),  but wasn't a Russian (meaning, Olga's wishes). Sorry, I wasn't enough precise. I agree with you.
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« Reply #366 on: July 20, 2009, 12:29:10 AM »
May someone tell me what book this is from?
 In early 1914, while Prince Christopher of Greece was staying  with his sisterMaria Georgievna and her husband Grand Duke George Mikhailovich at their Crimean estate of Harax, he attended a reception at which the 18 year old Grand Duchess Olga was also present. She then returned to Livadia and the prince was suddenly “overcome with an apassionate desire” to propose the Emperor for her hand. His sister’s lady-in-waiting wrote; “He told me that he greatly admired the Grand Duchess Olga and asked me if I thought he had any chance. To me, this is nothing very new as I was accustomed to his short-lived enthusiasms, but this time I decided it would be a very good idea. After endless discussion, we decided to speak to his sister, the Grand Duchess George, and she suggested, “Why not try?” So having been given a stiff whisky and soda, he started for Livadia that afternoon. Whilst he was away, we three, the Grand Duchess, Zoia (the Baroness’ daughter) and I walked about aimlessly. We worked ourselves into a perfect fever of excitement. When we heard the wheels of the car returning, we nearly broke our necks trying to get to the door. I slid down the staircase in my haste but neither I nor anyone else took the least notice of that. He looked pale but dignified. We imagined he would have returned triumphant with a ring on his finger. Pushing him into the small writing room, we yelled at him. “Well?”, she slumped into a chair, and with a bewildered expression said, “I don’t know”. “What do you mean, you fool, you don’t know?” “Well, I don’t”. Then we had ceased insulting him, he told us that the Emperor had been most kind but said firmly, “Olga is too young to think of such a thing as marriage yet”.


According to Anna Vyrubova Olga jokingly talked of marrying Boris of Bulgaria since he sent her nice presents.  She was rather young when she said that. :)  It's in her unpublished memoirs which I found at a Russian website.  I'm at school so when I get home I'll find the paragraph and put it here for y'all.

And as Lanie's not been recently online, will someone please be able to post the site that she mentions on the post above I've quoted?
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #367 on: January 03, 2010, 08:19:39 AM »
Sorry, but I just wondered why the engagement between Olga and Dmitri Pavlovich was suddenly annulled, and, if they had been married, then wouldn't Olga have been safe from the Bolsheviks because Nicholas sent Dmitri away to where assassins could not reach him? I'm sorry, but it just seems so sad that Olga's life could have been saved by such a simple thing.
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« Reply #368 on: January 03, 2010, 08:34:35 AM »
1. There was no engagement, only rumours.
2. Olga didn´t love Dmitri.
3. Had they been married, then Dmitri maybe wouldn´t be involved in Rasputin´s murder - or wouldn´t be banished from Russia for it.
4. Dmitri didn´t have a good reputation when it came to women and there were even rumours of him being homosexual.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #369 on: January 03, 2010, 08:38:05 AM »
Thanks, Ally, I was just wondering! :)

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« Reply #370 on: January 03, 2010, 09:13:24 AM »
Beautiful Anastasia, Happy holidays to you too,
Do not be offended. Just my terse opinion.

If we will imagine possible pair of Dmitry and Olga (in theory), we will see a lot of big problems in the future. I don't want to write here an endless serious article. Just the main things.
 
They are very different people. Modern, handsome, liberal, well-educated young man and good, orthodox, 19th century-minded simple girl. I also think that Dmitry was too smart for Olga. Moreover he, on my opinion, was on of the most smartest of the Romanovs of his generation. He always being aware of all the troubles which took place in Russia that time. Sober-minded liberal man, unlike orthodox Grand Duchesses. I think also that Dmitry Pavlovich always have been in a more serious circle of acquaintances and friends. Yusupov not in this account;).

So I cannot imagine this pair, both in theory and in practice.

Ally, by the way, I don't think that to be homosexual is a bad reputation. It's your personal choice and we shouldn't criticize it. We are not in 19th century. Otherwise we will have to condemn a huge amount of the Romanov Dukes, Grand Dukes, and other family members, who, with a different degree, were a typical "specific men". I don't want to name them. You know whom I mean;). Of course all of the Grand Duchesses were typical orthodox and conservative in their views, that's why they couldn't understand other things then typical family: mother, father and children. Nothing more.
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« Reply #371 on: January 03, 2010, 10:14:24 AM »
That he was considered homosexual by some is true, and I didn´t put anything from my personal oppinion into the post above. BUT back then, even though it was common, it was something which did shed "bad" light onto the person. and I´m 100% sure Alexandra would never allow such man to be married to one of her daughters.

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« Reply #372 on: January 03, 2010, 11:03:22 AM »
Ally, it's OK. I did not mean anything. And this is not your personal opinion. (I hope;))

Sadly, but this is opinion of Alexandra Feodorovna. I only think, that this is false opinion and we may evaluate people not for their orientation or something else, but for another things, such as intellect, and other personal features.

On the other hand, this is also absolutely understandable, cause we are talking about 19th century. And not only about 19th century, about Russia and very orthodox and closed from the public Imperial family. Although I like this family and for me this family is an example of a big love and devotion to each other, but there are a lot of things, on which as a liberal I can't close my sober eyes.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #373 on: January 03, 2010, 11:07:37 AM »
Ally, it's OK. I did not mean anything. And this is not your personal opinion. (I hope;))

Sadly, but this is opinion of Alexandra Feodorovna. I only think, that this is false opinion and we may evaluate people not for their orientation or something else, but for very another things, such as intellect, and other personal features.

I respect homosexual people, it´s their life not mine and it´s definitely not my concern whom they find lovable. But if I were mother like Alexandra, I certainly wouldn´t be happy to have my daughter married somebody with different orientation. Either she, he or both would be unhappy.

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