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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #300 on: February 07, 2009, 06:55:29 PM »
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« Reply #301 on: February 08, 2009, 12:32:36 AM »
Well, I'm not sure, but Nicholas' first cousins are supposed to be called Olga's uncles, right? :-\ Or is there another word? Or people just say: Boris and Dimitri are first cousins of Olga's father? :-\ :-\

Sure, in many cultures they are "called" uncles.  Genetically and genealogically they are "first cousins, once removed" to Olga.  If Boris had had children they would be Olga's 2nd cousins.  The term "once removed" indicates they are of a different generation of descent from their common ancestor, Alexander II.

It's like this:
                       brothers        1st cous.    2nd cousins
Alexander II> Alexander III> Nicholas II> Olga
Alexander II>        Vladmir>        Boris>   any children

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #302 on: February 08, 2009, 12:37:22 AM »
Thanks for showing that understandable diagram, Terence!

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #303 on: February 08, 2009, 04:46:12 AM »
Oh, I see. Thanks you all for replying! :)

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #304 on: February 14, 2009, 05:49:56 PM »
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Well, I'm not sure, but Nicholas' first cousins are supposed to be called Olga's uncles, right? Undecided Or is there another word? Or people just say: Boris and Dimitri are first cousins of Olga's father?

Nicholas's first cousins would be Olga's second cousins, at least where I'm from.

Lots of people think this, but they are wrong, as others have pointed out.  The children of first cousins are second cousins to each other.  Your first cousin's children are your first cousins, once removed (your cousin's grandchildren are first cousins twice removed.)  See the chart here (there might be better ones out there).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin

Some cultures do consider their cousin's children as "nephews and nieces", especially if there is an age difference, so the uncle/aunt title is used, but of course your cousin's children are actually more distantly related to you by a generation than your cousins are.  So it is a cultural term rather than a precise one.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #305 on: April 13, 2009, 11:25:05 AM »
Was not Alexander of Yugoslavia ( who later mrried Mignon of Romania) viewed as a potential husband for Olga.

It is my understaning he was in love with her.

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« Reply #306 on: April 13, 2009, 11:34:13 AM »
Was not Alexander of Yugoslavia ( who later mrried Mignon of Romania) viewed as a potential husband for Olga.

It is my understaning he was in love with her.

Well, yes, as far as I can remember.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #307 on: April 13, 2009, 12:05:01 PM »
Yes during spring 1916 visit of Serbian delegation to Russia, at South Crimea.

Was not Alexander of Yugoslavia ( who later mrried Mignon of Romania) viewed as a potential husband for Olga.

It is my understaning he was in love with her.

Well, yes, as far as I can remember.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #308 on: April 13, 2009, 12:20:51 PM »
Any additional background information?

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« Reply #309 on: April 13, 2009, 12:36:45 PM »
During May 1916 visit at Sevastopol (South Russia then), leader of Serbian government said that it would be very nice if Olga once become Serbian Queen, that people would be accept her gladly, if he marry to Prince Regent Alexander (N. Pashic told to NII). Rest of conversation is not known to me, anyway, I'll check it.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #310 on: April 13, 2009, 01:09:05 PM »
That would be good. Still that doesn´t prove anything. There is not a word about King´s felings and such a statement surely possed through many heads at the time...

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #311 on: April 13, 2009, 01:23:54 PM »
It is a blessing (although Olga would have been out of the country at the time of the revolution) that Olga didn't take Prince Carol.  Having read biographies of the Roumanian royal family and seeing Carol's thoroughly bad behavior to his mother and to his wives, I think Olga would have been miserable.


I also haven't read many pleasant things about Carol. It's a good thing Olga didn't accept him, nor did she like him. It would have been an unhappy marriage.

I can't imagine how awful it would've been for her to loose all her family in the revolution (assuming it still happened like that) and for support only to have an awful husband like Carol. Yes, she would've lived, but it probably wouldn't have been a very good life.

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« Reply #312 on: April 13, 2009, 04:51:14 PM »
During war, Alexander's sister Helen invited her brother (she was married to GD Ioann Konstantinovich) to come in Russia, and by then, Olga worked as a nurse in hospitals, they met , and had some talks. About Alexander's feelings towards Olga Nicholaievna I don't know.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #313 on: April 13, 2009, 07:14:32 PM »
But  during this time,  wasn 't Olga in love with Dmitri Chakh-Baghov -  the wounded officer she cared for at the hospital ?

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #314 on: April 13, 2009, 07:20:43 PM »
I read she was, and no one knows if that is reason she maybe refused. She flirted with Voronov earlier too. I posted one 1916 attempt for marrying.  ;-)
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