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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2014, 11:42:34 PM »
The name identification issue is a valid point. Overall I enjoyed the program, particularly the second part. Rodney's comments about the visuals - from old video footage and photographs to beautiful current images of Russia and the palaces - to the haunting musical score are spot on! High quality and interesting. More for the history fan than the Romanov fan.
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« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2014, 02:17:41 AM »
Although it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, I enjoyed it.

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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2014, 08:02:21 PM »
I enjoyed it a lot! I know the program was for the common viewer who isn't an expert so I really didn't care if I didn't learn anything new. It was put together so well, music/graphics/etc.. I hope it pays off and Helen sells more copies of her book as a result. 

While I can understand if some thought the tone of the documentary was harsh, especially towards Alexandra, I honestly didn't detect anything that was untrue. I know some complained part one was too much Alexandra/Alexei and not enough of the girls but when all is said and done that's pretty much how it was. The mood and actions of the whole family was determined by what was happening with Alexandra and Alexei. Yes the girls were loved but I do believe they were still window dressing even in their own family.

I did cringe at the letters the girls wrote to Alexandra when she was going through one of her ill periods ("I'm sorry you feel #2 today..."). There are some things you can put down to the era and period but I don't think that was one of them. I'm don't doubt the girls were happy and loved their family but I personally feel they had an abnormal childhood even by royal standards of that time.

I also got a kick out of the English voiceover attempt at a little girl Russian accent. I remember reading a review of the Soviet film "War and Peace" from the 60s and one complaint was that the dubbed voice for Natasha sounded like Minnie Mouse and that's exactly what it sounded like here too. Obviously they sounded better in part two when the girls were older.

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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2014, 10:14:26 PM »
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I enjoyed it a lot! I know the program was for the common viewer who isn't an expert so I really didn't care if I didn't learn anything new. It was put together so well, music/graphics/etc.. I hope it pays off and Helen sells more copies of her book as a result.

Agreed. As a board full of fans devoted to the Romanovs we have a tendency to nitpick. There was nothing so egregiously exaggerated as to make this program detrimental, rather than beneficial, to anyone with a general understanding of Russian history.

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While I can understand if some thought the tone of the documentary was harsh, especially towards Alexandra, I honestly didn't detect anything that was untrue. I know some complained part one was too much Alexandra/Alexei and not enough of the girls but when all is said and done that's pretty much how it was. The mood and actions of the whole family was determined by what was happening with Alexandra and Alexei. Yes the girls were loved but I do believe they were still window dressing even in their own family.

I think we naturally get excited when we hear about anything specifically devoted to OTMA. But I think expectations become unrealistically high as well. We keep thinking there is something more out there that will tie up all the loose ends; some yet to be uncovered treasure chest of information, a batch of hundreds of unreleased photos, video, or audio clips, etc. When you're so devoted to a particular subject it's hard to accept that there could ever be a limit on obtainable knowledge about that subject. You always want more. But in reality there probably just isn't all that more to know about four lovely yet sheltered girls who died tragically young.

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I did cringe at the letters the girls wrote to Alexandra when she was going through one of her ill periods ("I'm sorry you feel #2 today..."). There are some things you can put down to the era and period but I don't think that was one of them. I'm don't doubt the girls were happy and loved their family but I personally feel they had an abnormal childhood even by royal standards of that time.

And a I think Helen and company did a good job of indicated that. The tone, as you mentioned above, was about right. Respectful admiration but not gushing praise for the girl's and their personalities/accomplishments. Sympathy for their situation but not pity. After all, for everything OTMA missed out on never having a chance (at least until the war) to explore the "real" world and ordinary folks, the did have simple, happy and mostly carefree lives prior to captivity.

The only thing that really bothered me was the portrayal of Alexei, and how they made a point of mentioning that Marie's sisters often teased her calling her "fat little bow wow". Yes they called her that, and yes she was picked on some by Olga and Tatiana when they were all very young...but why not also mentioned how adored she was. Arguably Olga's favorite sister and a soul mate for Anastasia. Didn't anyone have a bad word to say about Maria other than she might have been prone to laziness in her studies? And Alexei. Yes there were time that he probably got away with murder, but why single him out? Anastasia was every bit as naughty and the other three were known to act out from time to time. A little more balance and perspective here would have been welcome.

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I also got a kick out of the English voiceover attempt at a little girl Russian accent. I remember reading a review of the Soviet film "War and Peace" from the 60s and one complaint was that the dubbed voice for Natasha sounded like Minnie Mouse and that's exactly what it sounded like here too. Obviously they sounded better in part two when the girls were older.

Ugh those were painful, and Minnie Mouse sounds about right, lol. The voices were much better however in the second part with the girl's being & sounding older.
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« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2014, 05:08:18 AM »
I finally watched the seconds part. Found it a lot better than the first. It was overal very well put together, but still..... While I realize those unfamiliar with the subject won´t notice, I found it disappointing that of all the war work of the Grand Duchesses Tatiana´s comitee doesn´t even get a mention, neither does Maria and Anastasia´s patronage of a hospital. In regard to Maria, I believe her experience of supporting her mother during the days of February revolution was quite important (that is if you make anything supposedly about OTMA), yet no space is given to it.

BTW what was that Orlando Figes said about nursing uniforms falling into hands of prostitutes? First time I heard about that and seemed weird to me. Also, wasn´t the Derevenko issue (him shouting at Alexei) proven wrong and a malicious gossip of Anna Vyrubova? (I do realize I am nitpicking)

All in all I thought the whole documentary was good, but did not fulfil what it had set out to do - which is "to reveal the girls behind saintly images". They were not the main object of the documentary.

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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2014, 05:51:37 PM »
Yeah, they could have spent a little more time on OTMA.  I mean wasn't that what it was all about.

Still, I did enjoy it. 
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« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2014, 02:11:15 PM »
I agree with those who hoped for a greater focus on the Grand Duchesses. There are going to be plenty of documentaries made for the centenaries of Rasputin's death, the revolution and Ekaterinburg, but they won't consider the girls' activities to be relevant, beyond a photo or two of them at the hospital.

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« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2014, 05:53:00 PM »
Perhaps this documentary should have been retitled.
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« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2014, 03:38:46 PM »
loved it

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« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2014, 03:28:33 PM »
Saw part 2 on youtube couldn't get part 1. Didn't like the scenes with the reenactors there are plenty of pictures and film clips from the period they could have used. They also could have used some then and now shots. As for the mention of prostitutes wearing nurses uniforms I believe this did happen in South Russia in 1919-1920 when the allies sent the Whites large amounts of aid which included nurses uniforms which found there ways on to prostitutes.

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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2014, 06:49:03 AM »
I thought I come on and share my thoughts of Russia's Lost Princesses part 1.

Helen Rappaport on her Facebook page had said how hurt she was that people had taken the doco and posted it on social media sites such as Youtube and was going to take action.   She has since removed the comment and has put it in the hands of the BBC.   

I am going to admit I did watch Part 1 on Youtube as I live in Australia and I was going to hold out till it screened here but it got the better of me. 

The opening was nice to view,  we can not blame the voice over narrator for saying people don't recall their names but worship them as maytars.    She has a script to read from.   As thought the whole episode was about Nicholas, Alexandra and Alexei with at times OTMA mentioned.  With Rasputin taken up a big chunck of air time.   The only times I found interesting was the ancdotes of Olga and Tatiana buying tickets to the ferry by themselves and how excited they were in doing so.

I agree with the voice overs,  it seemed they wanted to keep some romanticisim that the family spoke with Russian/German accents.   When as we know they spoke an English accent for the most part of their lives.   I found the girls accents grating and I could not understand what they were saying as it was to quick.  I am normally good at listening to other accents as I am an avid watcher of SBS channel.

That is all I can write now at such a short time.

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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2014, 05:18:36 PM »
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Helen Rappaport on her Facebook page had said how hurt she was that people had taken the doco and posted it on social media sites such as Youtube and was going to take action.

Why would she be upset?  More people might get to see it on social media sites like YouTube (that's how I saw it). 
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« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2014, 05:36:30 PM »
I Cant seem  to find part 1 on YOUTUBE   

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« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2014, 10:00:29 PM »
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Helen Rappaport on her Facebook page had said how hurt she was that people had taken the doco and posted it on social media sites such as Youtube and was going to take action.

Why would she be upset?  More people might get to see it on social media sites like YouTube (that's how I saw it). 

I can see why should would be disturbed by it. "Hurt" sounds a little extreme. I mean honestly in this day and age what does one expect.

I watched it on YouTube in part because to the best of my knowledge it wasn't going to be airing in the States any time soon. Why should Romanov fans in England be the only ones who get to enjoy it?

It was a good program and seems to be well received. As Tim eluded to the added exposure can only help her and her book sales. My mom just bought "Four Sisters" by the way. Didn't even ask for my input. Just heard good things about it and went out and got it. Programs like this are an excellent promotional tool.
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« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2014, 05:28:16 AM »
I wanted to show you what Helen Rappaport has said on Facebook in regards to the documentary being posted on Youtube.



This was after Helen reported about being hurt how the documentary was posted on Youtube.   There was a full blown discussion about how wrong it was that people would do that etc etc.   Then she deleted it and posted this.  



This was on a page post and Helen tells more about what happened and how Silver River productions are going to take legal action for the postings of the documentary with no permission or royalties.
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