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Writing Fantasy Comedy, Help/Feedback requested
« on: November 10, 2014, 04:53:43 PM »
Hello, I'm new(ish) to here, though I've been lurking for a week or so. Since 2011 I've been working on a fantasy comedy called "Postcards from the Edge of Infinity", and a major part of the initial "arc" is a personal fantasy that I, and I'm sure many on this forum, have had since first reading of the Romanovs and their deaths, of them being rescued. The whole reason I'm here is, though it's a fantasy comedy (the initial idea I had was "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" but for fantasy,) I am dedicated to portraying the Romanovs as accurately as is possible; also that, though they are spirited away to another land w/the main characters, their story is intended to be accurate up until the moment said mains arrive. So no Lich Rasputin and his Singing Insect Minions (a phrase I'm sure haunts the nightmares of many a Romanov devotee to this day. So, er, sorry of reminding you.) Though I'll post more in time, here is, as concisely as I can manage, the synopsis and basic pitch of "Easy Fellowship: Here, There, Somewhere, and Back Round Again."

Modern day English geeks Zoe, Jeff, and Dave find themselves, through no fault of their own, travelling between worlds via a set of magic dice belonging to Zoe's incredibly bigoted/senile granddad; who turns out to also be an obscenely old wizard named Gaeratric, and whom is travelling w/them, much to their eternal regret and frustration. Very soon after this, when they're still in shock and getting the hang of things, they arrive in what turns out to be the basement store room at IH; w/the IF on the other side of the doors, having just been left there by Yurovsky to go and get their murderers. After some arguing over the method, they get the doors open and the two groups are introduced just as Yurovsky and his men arrive. The teens' piss-poor attempts at a bluff fail and they're about to be shot when, in a display of competence not to be seen for many a moon, Gaeratric turns the gunmen into rabbits.

Jubilation at this is short-lived when, in getting them out to show the Romanovs, Zoe drops the dice and they are immediately transported to Middle-Earth in the year 4E 1967, w/a quasi-modern world magitech thing going on. Over a couple of days of staying in a tavern in Hobbiton, Zoe, Jeff, and Dave explore and get to know OTMAA, introducing them to modern world via the Bohemian Rhapsody video. However, OTM are kidnapped by Orcs and taken to Mordor, which now has an inland sea and is a Blackpool expy, only to find when they get there that their dungeon has been repossessed. They thus have to let them go, and they are soon taken in by a kind wizard who owns a casino. Back in Hobbiton, the main plot gets underway as the Zoe, Jeff, Dave, Gaeratric, and Anastasia embark on an Epic Quest to rescue OTM.

The whole thing is a parody of Tolkien, w/a satire on homophobia and transphobia; presented as a road trip - undertaken primarily by three modern day teens and an Edwardian Russian princess grand duchess - fuelled by 60's/early-70's classic rock, through a Middle-Earth that owes a lot to Mel Brooks and "Bored of the Rings". The core of the homophobia satire is the relationship that develops between Zoe, who is Bi, and Anastasia, as the latter comes out of her shell. Naturally, this is the most speculative part of the whole thing, and most likely to raise eyebrows, but I'll say right off the bat that this isn't going to a smutfest like some of the "surviving GD" stories I've read of in the books section; it's intended to be a sweet, humorous love story between two teens, that happens to be in the context of a Tolkien spoof and feature Anastasia. Incidentally, due to my fascination w/the Romanovs, the very first thing that I came up w/past the setup and the four mains was "they rescue the Romanovs and end up in a Tolkien spoof where they have to rescue OTMA;" the homophobia satire came later and fit around what I had already, w/Zoe (now main main character) and Anastasia, on the grounds of her personality and being closest in age to 16-year-old Zoe, being the obvious choice for the central romance.

So, hope I've not bored you too much w/my rambling, and to hear your comments. The main purpose of putting this here, aside from constructive criticism, is to get help w/the characterization/dialogue of the Romanovs, particularly OTMA and especially Anastasia. Will be posting scenes as they're done to such ends. For now, er, (witty parting words.)

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Re: Writing Fantasy Comedy, Help/Feedback requested
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 05:21:38 PM »
Go for it.  As I writer of alternate history fan fiction myself, I'd love to see your work.
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Re: Writing Fantasy Comedy, Help/Feedback requested
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 09:47:04 AM »
Thanks for your interest. Though I do like alternate history a lot, I've not really thought of it this as such; especially since a future plot point is Zoe, Jeff, and Dave having to fake the Romanovs' deaths in order to prevent a paradox. I am enjoying some of the alt-hist's I've found on here concerning a potential rescue, since most discussions on AlternateHistory.Com concern butterflying the revolution entirely/having George not withdraw his offer for asylum in England, and rather broad-strokes speculation on what would happen after. Understandable for the site, but I'm more interested in things like "Days of OTMA's Lives" (though I've not yet read it) that seems to actually show the family being able to live their lives after escaping, which for me is half the fun of Postcards.

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 11:16:55 AM »
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but I'm more interested in things like "Days of OTMA's Lives" (though I've not yet read it) that seems to actually show the family being able to live their lives after escaping

On behalf of Tess (Wakas) and myself, thank you.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 01:06:24 PM »
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but I'm more interested in things like "Days of OTMA's Lives" (though I've not yet read it) that seems to actually show the family being able to live their lives after escaping
True. In Days, the Bolsheviks are overthrown, a constitutional monarchy is set up with Nicholas II as the Tsar again (this time he is only a figurehead), and OTMA and Alexei get married and have children.
In short Days gives them the future they never had.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 04:53:10 PM »
Actually, related to that, could you please link the start of Days? The earliest I can find is a "Continuation" where Anastasia's already married, and I suspect there's stuff that comes before that.

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 05:36:16 PM »
The whole thing is a parody of Tolkien

Ever thought of a Tolkien parody / satire where you replace his love for everything Celtic and Anglo-Saxon with Slavic and Eastern European? (PS Tolkien was very into Finnish, so he was interested in that part of (near-)Eastern Europe.)

Many of the Slavic (and Baltic and Finnic) minorities in Eastern Europe have truly hobbit-like features:
The Kashubians (of Anna Anderson and Günter Grass fame) and their cousins, the Slovincians
The Sorbians in Germany
The now extinct Polabians in Germany
The Lithuanians (see here for a funny story about them: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17848.msg533118#msg533118)
The Belarussians
The Rusyns / Ruthenians
The Slovenes, as they appear in Philipp Roth's "Radetzky March" and Peter Handke's works.
Thomas Mann shows a similar attitude towards Slavs, but in "Death in Venice" his (aristocratic) Slav is more ætherically elvish.

And how fascinating isn't it that when people are into all kinds of LOTR-like chivalric quests in strange lands, they know next to nothing about the military orders that shaped the pagan Baltic lands (the Teutonic Order and the Livonian Order of the Sword, which was founded by a Buxhoeweden.) Add to that their German compatriots the Hanseatic merchants and you have a nice "evil and refined" counterpart to the rustic, simple, hobbit-like Slavic peasants.

What if it wasn't Hobbiton, but Medgrad (Honey Town), not Middle Earth but Zalesye (Beyond the Woods / Transsylvania), not the Shire but Kray (area, land, region),
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 06:07:47 PM »
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Actually, related to that, could you please link the start of Days? The earliest I can find is a "Continuation" where Anastasia's already married, and I suspect there's stuff that comes before that.

Unfortunately, the first Days no longer exists.  It was lost somehow.  I have no idea what happened, one day I went to read it and found it gone.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2014, 07:01:20 PM »
Sorry to hear. :( In that case, could you perhaps (as a new topic) do a summary of the missing chapters? I am interested in reading it, but less so w/a large chunk missing, and there may well be others in the same boat. To Превед; it was originally "Middle-Earth w/the serial numbers filed off," but I decided quite recently to make it Middle-Earth proper, just in the year 4E 1967 so as to emphasize the 60's counterculture aspect. Also, because one of the main conceits is that, nearly 2000 years after Frodo and Co, it's a Magitech "modernized" Middle Earth that in ways resembles our modern world, but still largely ruled by old, white, straight, cisgendered, human men w/crowns and an extremely Medieval Euro-centric makeup (and still looking like Middle-Earth in the books/films.)

The inhabitants of the Mordor/south coast area aren't evil, just percieved as such by the extremely bigoted, rich arseholes up north, because of their progressive attitudes and inclusiveness to "those damn immigrant hobbits from the east". Into this land comes three modern teenagers who love fantasy of the Tolkien/D&D sort, but who in this case side w/the traditional "bad guys". Gaeratric, meanwhile, is the Daily Mail personified; racist, xenophobic, mysoginistic, homophobic, etc; and his ramblings about "Normans coming over here and taking our castles" is deliberately mirrored by said rulers. ZJD love all the cool stuff about fantasy, but, when confronted w/them and thrust into the role of "sacred chosen one heroes", balk at the cliches of the genre and the baggage it has from having been codified by straight white men in the middle third of the 20th century.

So yes, to (long-windedly, sorry) answer your question; yes, the Eastern European influence will be there, but as part of the subversion of the traditional Tolkien stuff, rather than replacing them.

Additionally, while I'm on the subject; the main subplot is Nicholas being welcomed as the fulfilment of a prophecy that a new King will arrive in the land and vanquish the evil ones to the south (yeah, he's a damn foreigner, but he's a rich, blue-blooded human foreigner!) This leads to he, and an army he recruits (which, in keeping w/his known military skills, are revealed in the end to be Lemmings,) to shadow the Fellowship to Mordor, w/their catching up two days later beginning the Epic Final Battle Act III. In the end, he rejects the new crown he's been given, and implores the other kings to so the same, as well as he, Alexandra, and OT, coming to accept Anastasia's relationship w/Zoe.

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2014, 09:27:58 PM »
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In that case, could you perhaps (as a new topic) do a summary of the missing chapters?

I wish I could, but I simply don't remember much of those chapters.  I kept no notes, because I was basically making it up as I went along.

Another problem is the chapters that were written by former writing partner, RHB (Romanov History Buff).  She vanished from the board nearly three years ago now, and all attempts to contact her have been unsuccessful.   Whether she kept any notes, I don't know, and most likely never will, since she's still keeping company with Jimmy Hoffa and Judge Crater.

I'm afraid you're just going to have to make do with the two Days that do exist.   Bear in mind that the current Days is ongoing, so you'll keep seeing new chapters added every few days or so.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 08:28:24 AM »
Well I must say it all sounds rather interesting. Admittedly I'm not a big fantasy/fiction type. Not since the start of my adult years at least. But based off your introductory posts you seem to have a good grasp on the history of your subjects, and also sound articulate/literate. So I expect the writing will be good.

While the angle you're taking with Anastasia is a delicate topic and ought to, out of respect for someone whose legacy has already been twisted into something it's not, be handled with care, I rather like the idea. You need something affectionate and a good natural "human" relationship to hold things together.

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 11:06:23 AM »
It will be nice to see more fan fiction here.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2014, 06:32:09 PM »
Thank you, edubs31. I admit I did have a moment when I was writing up the introductory post and I approached the point of writing "and then Anastasia comes out and gets in a relationship w/the lead," at which point I thought back to some of the "GD is rescued by male lead, sleeps w/them" books I'd read of and suddenly had a slight sinking feeling at how the community would react to it. However, I hoped that it being, as you said, "affectionate", would help. Though it's the emotional core of Easy Fellowship's satire, the relationship is one that I'm planning to have develop over the course of the whole series; whatever form it eventually takes (currently in script format,) so certainly Zoe and Anastasia won't be going to bed in EF or anything like that.

Actually, this may be a good time to lay out my plan for the their arc in EF. First, the one thing I'm a tad iffy about is that of the four GD's, it seems pretty cliche that the spunky tomboy w/(compared w/her sisters and from what I've read) little to no interest in boys ends up being the lesbian (or bi herself; that may fit better, especially if there are accounts of her having crushes on men. But then, that's why I'm here.) However, w/her having the most "fun" personality, that is similar in ways to Zoe's, and being v. close in age to her (she and Dave are 16 going on 17 and have just finished high school, while Jeff is 17 and has just finished his first year of 6th Form) made her the obvious choice.

The idea is that Zoe being bi is mentioned early on in the quest and Anastasia initially reacts in the way you'd expect an Edwardian princess to. However, this turns out to be an Armoured Closet Gay situation coming from uncertainty of her own sexuality vs. her upringing and religious beliefs; and a short time later (well, a few days in-story) she begins to come round to accepting it. One evening her admission of that to Zoe leads to a fumbled admission of finding her "Cute, as you would call it" is reciprocated by Zoe, they briefly kiss, and things develop from there.

They reach Darkpool on the south coast, and Saruman's Tower Casino and Hotel where, as mentioned, OTM have been under the care of He Who I've Not Yet Got a Name For, who is himself gay. While staying there, a quick kiss between Zoe and Anastasia is seen by Olga, who tells the others. Now I'm thinking that Maria, given her caring nature and closeness to Anastasia, would come round to the idea soon-ish, or at the very least not be outright hostile/not-speaking to her over it, as will be the case w/Olga and Tatiana. Not long after Nicholas and the various armies arrive and the Epic Final Battle begins. During this Nicholas, Alexandra, Olga and Tatiana realize their error and accept Anastasia for who she is, the rest of the rulers also come around after intervention from Santa Claus (It Makes Sense In Context. Possibly.) Nicholas gives up his new crown, all is well, and some time later they carry on w/their travels.

I'd say this also fits in well w/what I've been reading since, given how close the IF was, I can imagine them accepting it eventually if one of them did come out. Especially since they've just escaped almost certain death, thus putting things into perspective, and have found themselves in what ends up being a more progressive land, led by a trio of modern day teens. Nicholas also provides a great opportunity to skewer the "Divine Right of Kings" thing that Lord of the Rings has going. I'll have the first scene w/the Romanovs w/in the next couple of days.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 11:26:00 PM »
All sounds very interested. I'm interested in knowing how you plan to tie it all together.

What list of classic rock songs do you plan on using for your soundtrack? I'm basically an expert on that particular subject :-)
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2014, 03:55:10 AM »
The Tolkien-inspired Led Zep songs are a must ("Ramble On," "Battle of Evermore," "Misty Mountain Hop," possibly "Over the Hills and Far Away;") The Beatles are an obvious choice (perhaps too obvious) and "Magical Mystery Tour" would certainly fit. Perhaps "All You Need is Love" wo- and I've just realized that would be perfect for Anastasia coming to terms w/her feelings for Zoe, thank you! I imagine Anastasia being initially shocked, then amused, by a certain line in "Sympathy for the Devil", since it's no longer true. Though I'm less familiar w/them, I'm sure there'd be a place for some of Queen's early Prog/fantasy-influenced stuff ("Seven Seas of Rhye" and the like) and Pink Floyd's psychadelic cuts. The Who would be good, but aside from "Goin' Mobile" (which is similar to MMT) I'm not sure which would nessessarily fit the "epic quest as hippie road trip" feel.

However, though I said I'm not sure what form Postcards will take in the end, I would love for Easy Fellowship at least to be a film (the rest as a TV series? I do have the BBC Writers Room in my sights.) In that case, I do intend for there to be an actual score too (the songs would be what they're playing as they drive across Middle-Earth,) and for that I'm thinking an ELP-type Prog piece; Psychadelic/Blues Rock/Proto-Punk, but in the mold of a classically-styled film score.

So, that's what I have so far, and I welcome you, and others, chiming in w/their suggestions.