The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1

[DanielB]

Here’s one photo of him in the uniform of colonel of His Imperial Highness the Tsesarevich Atamansky Guards Cossack Regiment, taken between 1910-14.  He later commanded this regiment during the War (1914-1915).

 

[Svetabel]

I posted this picture on another thread.

Boris,his mother and brother Kyrill

[darius]

What is known about his final years in Paris during the German occupation. Is he buried there?

[kmerov]

[Linnea]

Do you know when this picture was taken, kmerov?

[kmerov]

No, I'm afraid not. I got it from the net, and it didn't have a date...

[Linnea]

Thanks anyway, kmerov. Are there more pictures of Grand Duke Boris around (also group photos)?

[Linnea]

This picture was posted on another tread by Svetabel. It shows the Vladimirovichi family and the on of Grand Duke Paul. My question: Who is who? Could somebody help? Thanks!

[bell_the_cat]

Hi Linnea!

the front row is (left to right):

Princess Paley (wife of GD Paul) and their two daughters, Natalia and Irina
Ducky
Vladimir Prince Paley (son of GD Paul)
Maria Pavlovna (wife of GD Vladimir)
GD Vladimir (who was under 60 when this picture was taken!)

the back row:

Don't know A
Don't know B
GD Paul
GD Kyrill
Don't know C
Don't know D

A, B, C and D look strangely familiar. Is it possible that the children of Princess Paley's first marriage (Alexander b.1885, Olga b.1888, and Marianne b.1890) are among them? Alexander married the sister of Anna Vyrubova, but not until 1910.

Natalia was born in 1905, so I give this picture the date 1906.

[Linnea]

Thank you, bell_the_cat! I have a question about Grand Duke Kyrill´s children: Why were they styled Grand Duchesses as they "only" were great granddaughters of a tsar? I thought only children and grandchildren in the male line were styled this way? If Kyrill´s brothers Boris and Andrei would have married equally, which titles would their children have got?

[Linnea]

I have already posted this picture, but this one has much better quality and is also bigger.

[bell_the_cat]

From what I've gleaned from this forum (!):

The children of Grand Duke Kyrill are grand dukes and grand duchesses because Kyrill was the theoretical "Emperor" after he proclaimed himself tsar of All the Russias in 1924. He was later recognised as such by most of the surviving grand dukes.

Boris and Andrei's children (even of equal marriages) would not have been grand dukes, because they were not sons or grandsons of a reigning monarch. This was a rule introduced by Alexander III. They would only have been nephews of an "emperor" i.e. Kyrill. These children would have been Prince and Princess like the children of KR and Mavra.

Are there any Princess Paley experts out there to identify ABC&D?

[bell_the_cat]

Can anyone identify the others? The one at the back in the middle is the King of Siam. In the front second from the right is (I'm almost sure) Prince Waldemar of Denmark. This is one for Grandduchess Ella!

I must confess to being a Grand Duke Boris fan myself. I know he was objectionable, but there's something about him......

[grandduchessella]

a group picture from 1911 (Boris is the second from right in the sitting row)

Having to break my 'no quoting pictures' stricture here.

It is Waldemar of Denmark 2nd from right and Prince William of Sweden (husband of Marie Pavlovna) on the far right next to him. I think the young man in the back row on the left might be one of the Danish princes.    I also think the man on the far left, front row could be Alexander 'Alge' of Teck, Queen Mary's brother (later Earl of Athlone). It certainly looks like him but since I don't know the occasion I can't say for sure. Could the lady in the left center be Margaret of Denmark, Waldemar's daughter?

[Linnea]

a group picture from 1911

back row l to r: Prince Axel of Denmark, Price Fushimi-no-Miya of Japan, Prince Aage of Denamrk and Prince Erik of Denmark
front row l to r: Prince Alexander of Teck, Grand Duke Boris Vladimirovich of Russia, Princess Marie of Sweden, Princess Alexander of Teck, Prince Valdemar of Denmark, Prince Vilhelm of Sweden