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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #165 on: August 29, 2006, 07:25:31 PM »
Alice was quite deaf so she wasn't that disturbed by it. However one must also remember the stigma place on people with morganetic blood. The nasty letters written by Willy and Augusta to QV regarding Beatrice's wedding was an indication of what grand families feel about it. On that note, Ellen was just following the norm.  :-\

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #166 on: August 30, 2006, 07:14:20 PM »
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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #167 on: August 30, 2006, 09:55:44 PM »
Alice was quite deaf so she wasn't that disturbed by it. However one must also remember the stigma place on people with morganetic blood. The nasty letters written by Willy and Augusta to QV regarding Beatrice's wedding was an indication of what grand families feel about it. On that note, Ellen was just following the norm.  :-\

She and Alice were actually 2nd cousins through the Hesse line:

Marie Alexandrovna (nee Hesse) m. Alexander II--Vladimir--Ellen
Alexander of Hesse m. Julia Hauke (cr. Pss Battenberg)--Louis Battenberg--Alice

It's documented how Alexander III felt about his Battenberg cousins--does anyone know Vladimir's opinions?
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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #168 on: August 31, 2006, 02:28:49 AM »
Yes and it was Julie Hauke's morganetic blood that got tainted. Also it was not a secret that both Marie and Alexander may not have been the natural child of the old Duke of Hesse...Tsar Nicholas I heard about it (around the time of the marriage between his son Alexander and Marie of Hesse) and dismissed it (he didn't mind).  ;)

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #169 on: August 31, 2006, 10:40:10 AM »
Well, from Elena's upbringing she still probably carried some things. I woudn't doubt that. Miechen was a formidable mother.

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #170 on: August 31, 2006, 11:33:45 AM »

It's documented how Alexander III felt about his Battenberg cousins--does anyone know Vladimir's opinions?

I can imagine WHAT were Miechen's opinions. ::)

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #171 on: August 31, 2006, 11:36:04 AM »


There is a wonderful photo from the same sitting with only Vladimir and Miechen and their bulldog :)

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #172 on: August 31, 2006, 11:43:37 AM »

It's documented how Alexander III felt about his Battenberg cousins--does anyone know Vladimir's opinions?

I can imagine WHAT were Miechen's opinions. ::)

Surely! But taking a look on Miechen´s own pedigree, one has to notice that it´s not very "grandiose" either. Several counts, barons and even mere "von and zus". ::)

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #173 on: August 31, 2006, 12:01:30 PM »

It's documented how Alexander III felt about his Battenberg cousins--does anyone know Vladimir's opinions?

I can imagine WHAT were Miechen's opinions. ::)

Surely! But taking a look on Miechen´s own pedigree, one has to notice that it´s not very "grandiose" either. Several counts, barons and even mere "von and zus". ::)



But she was very proud of her Slavic roots ;D meaning the Mecklenbourg House.

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #174 on: September 03, 2006, 09:38:53 AM »
When GD Helen/Ellen of Russia married Prince Nichloas of Greece, some Tsar (AIII or NII???) built them a palce in Greece as a wedding present; The Nicholas Palace.

There must have been very close frienship in there somewhere besides the family ties to receive a custom built palace for a wedding gift.

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #175 on: September 03, 2006, 09:53:32 AM »
The Tsar was Nicholas II. I thought the palace was built by her father Grand Duke Vladimir for his daughter. He certainly had the funds to do so. If it had been the Tsar, it must have the the Glucksborg (Danish) connection.  ;)

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #176 on: September 09, 2006, 01:36:03 PM »
Princess Nicholas is one of my all time favorites!!! :D











She was pretty, when young, when she got older, umm, she look to me like a racone.

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #177 on: September 10, 2006, 11:54:03 AM »
Svetabel, I was thrilled to read about " a photo of same sitting with only GD Vladimir & Miechen and their bulldog ".
Do you mean the same black and white french bulldog that is on the family photo of Miechen in mourning clothes with her children posted earlier on this thread ? This particular french bulldog was named Spot, went into exile to France with Maria Pavlovna the elder in 1919, and after her death in Contrexeville was adopted by GD Boris.
If ever it was possible for you to post the photo of the couple with the ( french ? ) bulldog, I would be very grateful to you as I am writing an article about " early imperial french bulldogs in Europe before 1918 " for the winter issue of a dogs magazine. Thanks.

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #178 on: September 11, 2006, 08:15:34 AM »
Who is it in that picture of the woman walking beside the man in uniform? I don't recognize them.

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #179 on: September 11, 2006, 09:42:07 AM »
In the one Mandie posted? That's Helen with, I presume, Nicholas. His face is somewhat shadowed but I'm pretty sure it's him.
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