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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #300 on: February 04, 2009, 03:41:45 PM »
Yes...Gloria TNT's sale of jewels also included a pair of emerald earrings from Miechen's emerald collection.

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #301 on: February 21, 2009, 09:22:21 AM »
the family:

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« Reply #302 on: February 21, 2009, 09:23:28 AM »
Helen:

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« Reply #304 on: February 22, 2009, 03:00:37 PM »
Helen wearing the Cartier tiara that was given to her daughter Olga.

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« Reply #305 on: February 22, 2009, 08:31:24 PM »
What Helen's Romanov cousins thought of her?Did they have the same opinion as of her mother or she just "wasn't that grand" to be the gossip center?

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« Reply #306 on: February 22, 2009, 08:39:40 PM »
Where is the tiara now? What happened to it?

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Re: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #308 on: February 23, 2009, 02:06:40 AM »
What Helen's Romanov cousins thought of her?Did they have the same opinion as of her mother or she just "wasn't that grand" to be the gossip center?

The children of  Alexander III (read - children of Empress MF) were not close to the Vladimirovitchi brood due the rivalry between their mothers. So they thought all offsprings of Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna were too arrogant and super-imperial in manners and views of life. GDss Xenia Alexandrovna considered Elena too much haughty and unfriendly (that's quite understandable with such imperial Maman as GDss Maria P.-elder).

The children of GD Pavel, I mean GDss Maria P.-younger and GD Dmitriy, seemed neutral to Elena, I've not read anywhere about any ill-feelings.

If speaking about children of GDss Maria Alexandrovna, Duchess of Coburg, then only Victroria Melita was more or less on  friendly terms with Elena (after all she loved her brother Kirill), though in later years (after the 1917 Revolution) they definitely drifted apart.

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« Reply #309 on: February 23, 2009, 06:28:55 AM »
Thank you Sveta..so it was like mother like daughter...I always thought that Elena was "her mother's daughter",but more or less on the ground...so,I was wrong ;)

I wondered about relations towards her because Emperor gave her a villa in Greece as a wedding present...was it due to her or due to Prince Nicholas mother of whom most cousins had respect and good opinion...

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« Reply #310 on: February 23, 2009, 02:47:57 PM »
I think Helen had a good relation with the Greeks. She was also very close to Missy & Ducky. I have a photo of Helen and Nicky Greece clowning around with Irene of Prussia...

I think that tiara is still in the family of Olga.

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« Reply #311 on: February 24, 2009, 12:52:42 AM »
Thank you Sveta..so it was like mother like daughter...I always thought that Elena was "her mother's daughter",but more or less on the ground...so,I was wrong ;)

I wondered about relations towards her because Emperor gave her a villa in Greece as a wedding present...was it due to her or due to Prince Nicholas mother of whom most cousins had respect and good opinion...

That's an interesting question. I guess Nicholas II simply understood that Elena had chose a poor Prince actually,and she used to live a grand style. Of course she was not a fourtune-less girl but a villa for herself and her future family was a necessary gift. After all there were not so many Palaces for the Greek Royal Family in Greece...The Palace in Athens and the Tatoi estate...A Romanov Grand Duchess must be settled properly - remember that for GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger her Aunt GDss Elizaveta built a Palace in Sweden.

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« Reply #313 on: February 24, 2009, 06:53:31 AM »
Thank you Sveta..so it was like mother like daughter...I always thought that Elena was "her mother's daughter",but more or less on the ground...so,I was wrong ;)

I wondered about relations towards her because Emperor gave her a villa in Greece as a wedding present...was it due to her or due to Prince Nicholas mother of whom most cousins had respect and good opinion...

That's an interesting question. I guess Nicholas II simply understood that Elena had chose a poor Prince actually,and she used to live a grand style. Of course she was not a fourtune-less girl but a villa for herself and her future family was a necessary gift. After all there were not so many Palaces for the Greek Royal Family in Greece...The Palace in Athens and the Tatoi estate...A Romanov Grand Duchess must be settled properly - remember that for GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger her Aunt GDss Elizaveta built a Palace in Sweden.

I always thought the same thing but just didn't know for sure...saw some pictures with Nicholas and Vladimirovich family...and my impression was that Nicholas himself never felt anything similar to his wife and mother towards them...he seemed indifferent to those kind of things...was this just my impression or...?

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« Reply #314 on: February 25, 2009, 12:37:36 AM »

I always thought the same thing but just didn't know for sure...saw some pictures with Nicholas and Vladimirovich family...and my impression was that Nicholas himself never felt anything similar to his wife and mother towards them...he seemed indifferent to those kind of things...was this just my impression or...?

You know I also had the same impression in case with Nicholas (not with his siblings), I think that when Nicholas II somewhat drifted apart from his domineering mother he became more loyal to some relatives.