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Offline Marina Spb

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  Dmitry was born in village Fedyaevo(Ryazanskaya province)-село Федяево Рязанской губернии,
  Tatiana was born in village Preobrazhenskoye(Smolenskaya province)-cело Преображенское Смоленской губернии.

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  Dmitry was born in village Fedyaevo(Ryazanskaya province)-село Федяево Рязанской губернии,
  Tatiana was born in village Preobrazhenskoye(Smolenskaya province)-cело Преображенское Смоленской губернии.

Thank you SO much!! I really appreciate that help. I've been trying all kinds of combinations, but nothing has worked out. :)

I have found a website with a lot of info on Stcherbatovs as put in the Almanac de Gotha, and this is answering quite a lot of questions as to which names go in which generation. Go down to Generation "L", and that is where the family we're talking about begins.
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/stcherbatov.html

The Almanac de Gotha always lists Prince Sergei Borisovich Stcherbatov as dying at Kharkov (31 May 1919). Does anyone know if this was on account of his being arrested or captured? Or was he fighting?

It also lists his son, Boris, as being shot at Archangel in 1920. Can anyone see more information about that? The memories that I have from a cousin of Boris have a story about him as a little boy, so it would be kind of fun to know more about him.

Thanks again for all the help! I am thrilled with all that you've helped me with.
Sarah

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Tatiana was born in village Preobrazhenskoye(Smolenskaya province)-cело Преображенское Смоленской губернии.

Today known Митино / Mitino. See https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE_%28%D0%A1%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%29

BTW it's very small (81 inhabitants) and as such classified as a деревня, hamlet, not as a cело, (large) village.
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
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Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Preobrazhenskoye / Mitino came into the possession of the Shcherbatovs in the late 19th century and the last owner untill 1917 was "Е.С Щербатова", presumably Yelizaveta Sergeyevna Shcherbatova.

I presume the reason for the name change in Soviet times was the religious name (Preobrazhenie = Transfiguration (of Christ)).
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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 Dmitry was born in village Fedyaevo(Ryazanskaya province)-село Федяево Рязанской губернии

The letter in the Gotha can't be a "d", as there's nothing pointing upwards; it's a "n". And voilà:

Феняево / Fenyayevo, also in Ryazan Gubernyia / Oblast. See https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Fenyayevo seems to have been owned by the Princes Gagarin.
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Thanks for all that info about the birthplaces! That is quite interesting, particularly about the town owned by Princess Stcherbatov and the name change.

From all of this looking, it seems that the Stcherbatovs were quite rich and in court circles. I would love to see a picture of Princess Elizaveta "Lily" Scherbatoff in her full "Court Dress" or "Fancy" dress. I have seen a few pictures of her as a young girl, and one very sad one during her captivity, but nothing "fancy". :)

I have just now found this link (here in Russian): http://pkk.memo.ru/letters_pdf/001506.pdf
Here translated by Google: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://pkk.memo.ru/letters_pdf/001506.pdf&prev=search


This seems to agree with a couple of other things that I'm seeing online that are saying that Pr Elizaveta was released from prison --- not shot. However, quite a few things say that she was shot. Perhaps it is the translation and things are clearer in the Russian? Any thoughts?

Thanks for your help. I really appreciate this!
Sarah

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From all of this looking, it seems that the Stcherbatovs were quite rich and in court circles.

Probably quite rich, yes, but this partiular branch does not seem to have had many important state, military or court charges. Prince Boris Sergeyevich was Marshall of the Nobility in Kharkov Province for some years in the 1870s, his eldest son Nikolay Borisovich Marshall of the Nobility of Poltava Province from 1907 and Manager of the State Stud 1913 - 1915, his third son Pavel Borisovich a colonel and aide-de-camp of Grand Duke Nikolay Nikolayevich the Younger.

NB to be Marshall of the Nobility in a Province indicated that you had estates in that province.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2015, 01:23:25 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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his eldest son Nikolay Borisovich Marshall of the Nobility of Poltava Province from 1907 and Director of the State Stud 1913 - 1915,

And even Minister of the Interior for a few months in 1915: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A9%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Have been doing some looking trying to discover anything about Princess Elizaveta's son, Boris Sergeyevich. He is listed as having been shot/killed at Archangel in 1920. I found this mention on the Archangel page of Wikipedia:

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The city resisted Bolshevik rule from 1918 to 1920 and was a stronghold of the anti-Bolshevik White Army supported by the military intervention of British-led Entente forces along an Allied expedition, including a North American contingent known as the Polar Bear Expedition.

I am wondering if Boris might have been fighting with the White Army and killed while doing that?

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Hey, Sarah, who's the "Bing" that you're a fan of.  I'm assuming it's not Chandler Bing.
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Hey, Sarah, who's the "Bing" that you're a fan of.  I'm assuming it's not Chandler Bing.

You're right! It is actually for Bing Crosby and Nelson Eddy --- my two all-time favorite performers! Can't beat Bing for anything, whether it's acting, singing, etc. Nelson Eddy isn't as well remembered, but when it comes to a handsome baritone, well, you just don't get better. :)

Sarah

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Yeah, I know who Bing Crosby is, Sarah.  However, I had to go to Wikipedia for Nelson Eddy.
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I've come up with a couple more clues. Trying to work on Prince Sergei's two daughters, Elizaveta and Maria. According to family notes one of them was dead by 14 May 1910. A hand-written family tree by one of Lily Plaoutine's cousins says that Maria married a man by the name of Scheibler. No dates or anything listed. However, Prince Alexei's memoirs (posted in one of the first replies here) seem to think that Elizaveta escaped Smolensk in 1921. So, it is safe to assume that one of them did escape and live to marry Scheibler. Any one able to uncover anything else on this?

Thanks!
Sarah

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I have run across this book (and a few references to it) on GoogleBooks. It is called "From a Russian Diary, 1917-1920". The author is just listed as "an Englishwoman". Events seem to be all from the Moscow area with Smolensk. Here's the link to the book:

https://books.google.com/books?id=StNBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PR1&lpg=PR1&dq=%22From+a+Russian+Diary,+1917-1920%22&source=bl&ots=UbbBv-ODZP&sig=NsH5FTtjNabxQr0dvPSX3N9tm5k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H2sAVa3FLYGeyATk3oCQAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%22From%20a%20Russian%20Diary%2C%201917-1920%22&f=false

Does anyone know which "Prince Scherbatoff" is referred to here on page 173:
Last night we heard of three big burglaries which had taken place the previous night. In two cases a haul of 500,000 roubles was made, in the third 1,500,000. The last was in the big house of Prince Scherbatoff, on the boulevard, which is being used by the Bolsheviks as one of their centres. The Red Guard consisted of over thirty soldiers; the robbers numbered fifteen. They said to the Red Guard: “ We need the money so as to get all of you hanged
later on!”

Thanks!
Sarah