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rpalmgre:
The Russian Princely family Lopukhin-Demidov of the House of Demidov still exist today. I do not understand why Grand Duchess MARIA of Russia has marked this family extinct here: http://geroldia.ru/?lang=rus&id=22. His Serene Highness The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov is Onni Demidoff. He is a Finn born in Helsinki 23 April 1936 and still live here in Helsinki and Finland.

rpalmgre:
I can't seem to find a picture of His Serene Highness The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov anywhere! :( Does anyone here have a picture of him or know where I could find one? You can also send it to me on a Personal Message. I am distantly related to him.

Thank you so much!

rpalmgre:
Does anyone here know anything about this family?

Превед:

--- Quote from: rpalmgre on July 25, 2015, 06:01:21 AM ---Does anyone here know anything about this family?

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Interesting how this family seems to have been caught up in the current Russian succession quarrel:


--- Quote from: rpalmgre on April 13, 2015, 08:25:56 AM ---The Russian Princely family Lopukhin-Demidov of the House of Demidov still exist today. I do not understand why Grand Duchess MARIA of Russia has marked this family extinct here: http://geroldia.ru/?lang=rus&id=22. His Serene Highness The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov is Onni Demidoff. He is a Finn born in Helsinki 23 April 1936 and still live here in Helsinki and Finland.
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I suppose you have seen this genealogy?
http://heirsofeurope.blogspot.no/2010/05/lopoukhine-demidov.html

Apparantly the Court of Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna may seem to want "forget" that there is a current Prince Lopukhin-Demidov. The entry "утверждённая старшая ветвь" - stated? / claimed? / approved? elder branch - seems cryptic.

The Princes Lopukhin are listed as extant, although there never were any standard Princes Lopukhin before the elevation of one line to Most Serene Princes. They were just boyars / nobles and other lines continued to flourish as such, also after the extinction of the agnatic Serene Princes. One of them remained in Russia after the Revolution: Oleg Mikhailovich Lopukhin (1924 - 1993) was a Captain in the Soviet Navy and Head of Arkhangelsk Naval College untill 1985. From 1992 he was a Full member of the Russian Nobility Assembly. His son, "Prince" Vadim Olegovich, with a background in Soviet medicine, is apparantly a leading member of the Russian Nobility Association since 1990 and a close collaborator of Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna, acting as "Chief Coordinator of the All-Highest Visits to Russia". Here are pages with some background information on him: http://www.persona.rin.ru/eng/view/f/0/21248/lopukhin-vadim-o and http://www.imperialhouse.ru/eng/allnews/news/2005/686.html

Since this line of the Lopukhins never was princely, it must have been GD MV who has granted him the title he sports and is credited with in various press releases connected to GD MV. Was her reasoning perhaps that since the Princes Demidov of San Donato are extinct in the male line since 1943, the Demidovs in Finland can now revert to being merely Princes Demidov? And that remaining untitled Lopukhins can be raised to the princely rank?

The Russian Wikipedia article on the Lopukhins lists a coat of arms for "the Princes Lopukhin" wich differs from the arms of the "Most Serene Princes Lopukhin" insofar as the monogram on the augmentation in the form of the imperial eagle is that of "Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna" instead of "Paul I's" original one! This was published in 1996 in a nobiliary issued by GD MV's Master of Heraldry Dumin.

Превед:
BTW, palmgren :-) I've never seen how floral surnames are common in both Swedish and Russian, although I'm not sure if the baser Russian ones can be said to be "ornamental", like the Swedish ones:

Despite claiming descent from a medieval Circassian prince, the Lopukhin name is a quite ordinary Russian plant-based surname, derived from лопух / lopukh - burdock or arctium.

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