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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2004, 03:43:10 PM »
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In Defence of The Lost Prince!
For those Offended and Upset--Smile you know more than 90% of the general public! ;D

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    Please realize that most viewers of this program will NOT be experts on Royal families  (like so many folks here :D)...hence the need to give snapshots of characters rather than "time machine" like accuracy...In a few minutes they had to establish who was who-- so rather than a real family reunion, we have a "set piece' this is Edward/this is George & Mary of Teck/this is Alix, Nicholas/ Wilhelm etc.
   Yes there were problems (Georgie ought to have been stuttering a good deal more, and where was Edward's chronic cough?) --but beyond that I was not  too disappointed.

..Remember its about Prince John-- not about Alix and Nicholas! ;)

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You are right it was about Prince John and his family, which would include Alix Nicholas. They didn't have to focus a lot on them but what they did show wasn't right.

Overall I enjoyed the show very much and felt so sorry for Prince John, especially when you see how closed off his mother was, but I don't think she meant to come off as cold and distant, but she did
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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2004, 03:50:25 PM »
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In Defence of The Lost Prince!
For those Offended and Upset--Smile you know more than 90% of the general public! ;D

Dear People

    Please realize that most viewers of this program will NOT be experts on Royal families  (like so many folks here :D)...hence the need to give snapshots of characters rather than "time machine" like accuracy...In a few minutes they had to establish who was who-- so rather than a real family reunion, we have a "set piece' this is Edward/this is George & Mary of Teck/this is Alix, Nicholas/ Wilhelm etc.
   Yes there were problems (Georgie ought to have been stuttering a good deal more, and where was Edward's chronic cough?) --but beyond that I was not  too disapointed.

..Remenber its about Prince John-- not about Alix and Nicholas! ;)
rskkiya



I have to agree with rskkiya. The program was about Prince John not the imperial family. Nevertheless, it was very interesting to see how the program did portray N&A etc. I agree that the "shoe" scene was not an accurate portrayal of Alix.  Overall, a good program about Prince John; and just the fact that the program showed some of the relationship between the royal and imperial families was interesting to say the least eventhough some of the portrayals were not accurate :)

Stay tuned for part two! ;)

PS  during the documentary after the program, one of the historians gave the year of the Tsareavich's birth as 1903 :-X  
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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2004, 08:35:03 PM »
I thought the shoe scene was ridiculous, but, movies are movies! I loved the scenes with the girls, though, and Olga (I guess it was Olga) talking to Prince John so sweetly was really adorable.
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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2004, 10:07:50 PM »
Lanie--
   You made a fine point, its just a movie (or short telly series) and although all the "rivet counters" 8) here may complain about 'an unkind Alix" or "a wimpy Nicholas"...for most people-- thats all they know.
   Who knows someone might come to this very site for more information... :D

(Actually I thought that the whole Romanov family seemed about right...but I'm no big NAOTMAA fan...!)

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2004, 10:27:27 AM »
Can someone tell me what was the point of the scene with the fat lady and the dancers?  I can't seem to figure this out.

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2004, 10:46:35 AM »
lilavanderhorn, the "fat lady and dancers" scene was QM's reminisence of her childhood, as Princess May of Teck.  The Tecks were poor relations, descended, if I recall correctly, from a morganatic branch of the Wuerttembergs.  QM's mother, who herself was descended from George III, was well-known as a lady of very ample proportions.  You'll recall QM was in the middle of determining what jewels to wear when she had this little flashback.  I think it was meant to convey some idea of why Mary, who appeared to be embarrassed of her mother, clung so tightly to the ideals of majesty and royal stature.  She definitely married up.

koloagirl, good eye!  Lalla Bill is played by Gina McKee, who indeed played Irene in "The Forsyte Saga."

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2004, 11:39:11 AM »
Hi

In reference to the portrail of N&A this is not the first time a British program has done this.

In the series Edward the King starring Timothy West (also remembered for Doctor Botkin in N&A) Alexandra comes off as an idiot.

One scene with Victoria at Balmoral the Queen asks her if she knows what day it is. Alix answers "Why it's Tuesday Grandmama" Victoria seems to roll her eyes then reminds her that it is the anniversary of Albert's death.

Later during the scene at Cowes Alexandra seems very neurotic where Alexie is concerned and she speaks with a german accent.

Nicholas is portrayed better in a conversion with the King you get the impression Nicholas wants to make great changes in Russia. He says he hopes he has the courage to do it. The King replies he knows he has the courage he just hopes he has the time.

I don't understand why some British programs insist on portraying the Romanovs the way they do. Could there still be a sense of guilt at not rescueing them.

If one tells the truth about them would it look bad on the British royals?

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2004, 02:46:16 PM »
Yes, but again, the program--in this case, Edward the King--was focused on Edward first, his immediate family second, and other royals third.

And I did take several looks at that Balmoral scene showing Alexandra and Queen Victoria. The first time around, like azrael7171918, I was rather annoyed. The second time around, though, I saw something different: What was happening was that Alix was hearing, for the third or fourth time, what her grandmama was telling her, so at that point Alix was still being patient, but obviously working harder at it.

These "thumbnail sketches" of historical characters are, I would imagine, a bit challenging to write . . . and then, of course, folks like us who are better read than the average viewer will take issue! I haven't yet seen the Prince John program, but the shoe epsisode seems to be the main sticking point for most posters. I went to the BBC website which posts, among other things, a Q & A with the writer, but because the program aired in the UK some time ago, the website is no longer accepting questions. If questions were still be accepted, though, I would ask him if the shoe incident is based on actual documentation he came across in his research, or if he made it up to illustrate Alexandra's [supposed] peevishness.

What probably galls a lot of us is that "our" Romanovs are supporting players in these dramas . . . and, as supporting players, the writers have them revolving around the protagonists, rather than giving them more dimensional status. But here's some hope: In Edward the King, Lillie Langtry was yet another peripheral character, appearing in only two of the episodes . . . but soon thereafter, Francesca Annis, who played Lillie, would play her in a separate miniseries of her own!

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2004, 08:32:27 AM »
Janet
   Very thoughtful point  - this is the sad story of Prince John --not of The Romanovs-- and I am guessing that this garden party/shoe business was simply an attempt to establish the identities of the "players" so to speak...It would be interesting to know if such a thing did happen tho'.

Azreal
   Well... In a movie about the Romanovs I feel certain that one could easily put the Winsors in a bad light -- but as this program is not all about the Romanovs -- The Winsors get to take the stage...  :D (although I really doubt that its a matter of any sort of national guilt-- plenty of people just before the war  thought it was not right to ally England and France with Tsarist Russia - a nation known at that time for political repression and limited personal freedom.)

   A very good (if troubling) point has been made about the desire to defend the honour of "our Romanovs" in the public eye... As no real fan of Royalty in general - including my Country's own house of Winsor -- I do find this sort of comment a bit surreal -- but never mind- that's just me! ;D

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2004, 09:56:55 AM »
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(although I really doubt that its a matter of any sort of national guilt-- plenty of people just before the war  thought it was not right to ally England and France with Tsarist Russia - a nation known at that time for political repression and limited personal freedom.)

   rskkiya


I agree on that, as a matter of fact you can catch a lot of British historians putting the blame on George V for not saving his Romanov cousins (turning over years of the "official line" that it was the PM's decision) but I always do find it strange that Alexandra's "Englishness" tends to be played down in British productions. She was just as English as Queen Mary (nee May of Teck) and yet as played by the (great) Miranda Richardson Mary had no German accent at all while Alexandra was given some strange accent. Even Michael Gambon's Edward VII spoke perfect English when the real King Bertie was often said to have certain German affectations in some of his words coming from his German father (and QV herself). Considering how historically accurate the filmmakers claimed they wanted this to be, Alix's portrayal seemed way off to be more than an accident. The shoe incident in particular doesn't seem like anything she would do and seemed gratuitious. Nicholas as diffident and hen-pecked was a bit much as well, in public settings Nicholas was usually found to be uniformly charming and outgoing while Alix was withdrawn (even with family).

I did like the portrayal of the GDss though (what little there was) and the idea that Prince John felt a connection to his Romanov cousins and remembered them well enough to write a letter to them later (wonder if that actually happened and if he ever got a response?). Considering the fact that the Imperial Children were in their way as "isolated" as Prince John, it was well done of the producers to make a connection consiously or not.

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2004, 10:18:45 AM »
Yes-- I also thought Alix's accent odd--but once again we are judging (too harshly I think) an attempt to quickly establish the charactors in this rather short series--hence Nicholas is more interested in Alix's approval of a photo/ George was always in the shadow of  his father Edward/ Mary felt akward regarding her rather empoverished background... etc.

This program isn't accurate but it is still interesting! I do think it even more interesting that so far noone has complained about Wilhelm! ;D

Rskkiya
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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2004, 08:13:02 PM »
Wasn't it Bertie (King George VI) who stuttered and not his younger brother Georgie who became the Duke of Kent?

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2004, 09:31:14 PM »
thank you Holly I stand corrected !

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2004, 09:37:20 PM »
It was funny to have them making Alexandra speaking a foreign language in England as if she didn't know English. LOL.

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Re: The Lost Prince
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2004, 08:54:09 AM »
Well Hello,
   I saw the final episode of The Lost Prince and my only real complaints regarding the brief scenes with the Romanovs were that the basement (execution) room was too large and that generally speaking Alix was cast too young and too thin...I'm basing this comment simply on the photos that I have seen (at this site) and in the books I've read. Alix was a bit more ummm Zaftig in her middle years -- no surprise with sciatica and five children!
  Generally it was an interesting story with fantastic images--Prince John's visions of the Tzar's family/The Kaiser and the Austrian Emperor living and having tea in full court dress in his tiny cottage -- were utterly charming. Alix beating a carpet from an upper window was delightful!
   Rskkiya