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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #75 on: October 04, 2006, 07:22:53 AM »
Unfortunately my library only has The Immortal Queen and The Famished Land :(. I may have to bite the bullet and purchase some of the others from Amazon!  ;D

Awesome! I will take a look.

Isn't it incredible that an excellent author like Byrd is not very popular with the masses (hence her books sell for a penny), while Ms. P. Gregory - who basically sucks, to put it bluntly - is tremendously popular and acclaimed?  >:( What a sad taste the masses have....


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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2006, 04:32:02 PM »
This has brought back memories!  I spent school prize money on "Immortal Queen" in the late 1970's and loved every page.  I've just checked my bookshelves - and its still there!  Will have to reread...

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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #77 on: October 05, 2006, 04:36:33 PM »
My copy of Immortal Queen arrived today.
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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #78 on: October 05, 2006, 05:42:13 PM »
My copy of Immortal Queen arrived today.

Awesome! Let us know if you like it the second time around as much as the first ;).


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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2006, 12:55:47 PM »
What I find interesting about this book, are some new (at least to me) perspectives, which are neither strongly pro- or strongly anti- Queen of Scots, but a seemingly realistic look at what may have really happened and the reasons behind it. For a change Bothwell is portrayed as a more sympathetic and noble character. I am so used to seeing him presented in a really negative light, almost a caricature/cartoonish "villain",  so it surprised me to see Byrd's interpretation of him, which IMO is quite realistic and is probably a lot closer to the real Bothwell.  After all, there had to be a better explaination of Mary's loyalty and endearment towards him, and there had to be more compelling reasons why she married him against all logic (besides the alleged "rape" -which I  never really bought into). As far as Mary herself, in this book she is not always a sympathetic character, but is presented as neither a villain nor a saint - as some pro- or anti- Mary biographers have done - but a human being with faults as well as virtues. At least this author's interpretation sheds some light on the possible/probable motivations for Mary's actions, which are often difficult to understand. 



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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2006, 02:30:34 AM »
I am only on page 35 so far, which is very slow going for me (well, I was sat in the local casualty department  for 6 hours yesterday with my son who had broken his leg and I forgot to take my book with me >:() She is very good at "comparing and contrasting" isn't she. The beauty of the French court with its princesses dressed in vibrantly coloured silks and the dour dankness of Scotland with its mercilous border raids by the English. I agree with you on the portrayal of Bothwell, there is a very real love here and when I first read it many years ago, it definately coloured my feelings toward him.
Her novel "The Flowers of the Forest" is a shorter book but nevertheless, a definate "must read". In this one she compares the life of "Bess" - a country girl who moves to Edinburgh to find fame and fortune and ends up selling herself on the streets- to that of Margaret Tudor who travels to Scotland to marry King James. She writes so well and brings the characters and the times they lived in to life and it is hard to decide which one of these women had the most tragic life......excellent stuff ;).
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Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2006, 02:27:34 AM »
i see her more as mary boleyn (who was more of the easy kind of person) then as mary queen of scots (who was actually intelligent)...

Scarlet may be a little smarter than you give her credit for.  After all she turned down Tom Cruise, before he hooked up with Katie.  ;)

she as a person might be intelligent, however, she kind of gives me the impression of an airhead. kinda fits my image of mary boleyn - up for fun, acting before she's thinking 'ah, the king wants to sleep with me, so cool...'.  i don't know scarlet and can't judge her as a person, i am just talking about an image.
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Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2006, 12:01:32 PM »
Yes, she has that ''old Hollywood'' image. It has more to do with being blonde than intelligent. Marilyn Monroe fell victim to that image. I think if you read that Elle interview, you come away with a better sense of her though.

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Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2006, 07:50:52 PM »
Oh gawd. They always seem to roll out the same old starlets for these roles. Thank goodness it isn't Keira "Poutly" Knightly, but maybe she doesn't "do" intelligent ;D


I agree, these actresses look way too modern.

What are casting directors thinking, wasn't Kirsten Dunst's widely panned turn as Marie Antoinette warning enough?  ::) :(

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Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
« Reply #84 on: October 10, 2006, 02:48:20 AM »
unfortunatly it's the whole typically hollywood idea: if the actors look good they've got screaming fans who will come see the movie and like it for the simple reason that the actor is in it :). it will sell and who gives a damn about the acting performance and critical opinion?

i myself prefer european movies
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Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2006, 09:21:22 AM »
What are casting directors thinking, wasn't Kirsten Dunst's widely panned turn as Marie Antoinette warning enough?  ::) :(

I am actually thinking that Scarlett J would have been better cast as Marie Antoinette, but of course that's not saying all that much  :P  ;)

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Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2006, 12:14:21 PM »
Perhaps she would have been. Truthfully, English acting is often better than American acting in movies. ;)

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Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2006, 01:26:12 AM »
What are casting directors thinking, wasn't Kirsten Dunst's widely panned turn as Marie Antoinette warning enough?  ::) :(

I am actually thinking that Scarlett J would have been better cast as Marie Antoinette, but of course that's not saying all that much  :P  ;)

now that you mentioned it you're right  :)
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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2006, 08:25:54 AM »
I just finished reading "Flowers of the Forest" and LOVED it! She is such a great writer, and yet virtually an unknown.... I just don't understand the mass audience who want to read the likes of Phillippa Gregory, when there are writers like Elizabeth Byrd out there!  >:(  :-X

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Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2006, 09:53:47 AM »
Snap, I just finished reading Flowers of the Forest too ;D Do try and get hold of "Maid of Honour", it is just as good.
She brings everything alive doesn't she, so much so, you can almost smell the unwashed bodies (royalty and commoner alike) and the little details like a ring of honey on the table at a great banquet...... to attract the lice away from the diners :-X
By the way Helen, on BBC radio 4 yesterday, there was a discussion about Jean Plaidy and the enduring popularity of her novels. And the chief speaker was none other than....Philippa Gregory. :o According to Ms. G, Jean Plaidy took her sources (Mattingly et al) literally whereas Gregory looks at the sources and then adds a little bit of "spice" to captivate her readers.
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