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Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« on: May 01, 2016, 01:46:32 PM »
Good day to all members of Alexander Palace Time Machine from Royal Bloodline Descent . Our web page can be seen on  Royal BloodLine Descent on facebook, the subject matter we go in to detail regarding Czar Nicholas 11 rare royal gene that was passed down to two of his children Alexei and Anastasia.  This gene has and still descending in two other royal related royal line past and present in a few royal births. Their are photos that show what we are speaking of.  We welcome any comments or questions.

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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 06:58:27 PM »
Good day to all members of Alexander Palace Time Machine from Royal Bloodline Descent . Our web page can be seen on  Royal BloodLine Descent on facebook, the subject matter we go in to detail regarding Czar Nicholas 11 rare royal gene that was passed down to two of his children Alexei and Anastasia.  This gene has and still descending in two other royal related royal line past and present in a few royal births. Their are photos that show what we are speaking of.  We welcome any comments or questions.

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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 07:41:01 PM »
Thank you for your thoughts on matter spoken about, if not interested  dont take your time to see the facts as they are.      Have a very nice day


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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 07:44:06 PM »
I looked. They aren't claiming anyone survived, just that from looking at earlobes there seems to be some genetic markers that are common to the highly intermarried European Royalty.  Sadly without any actual DNA testing having been done, this is not "factual" nor "scientific", rather speculation. Not "crazy", just unproven by science. DNA testing is 100% conclusive. Looking at earlobes is subjective and unreliable, as proven by the whole Anna Anderson debacle.

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2016, 08:54:56 PM »
I think this story has been around for a long time.  I remember seeing an entry about Romanov facial markers in the Rootsweb Romanov forum, dated 2006 but no-one seemed to take much notice.

It might be meant to imply that all descendants of some particular royal ancestor will have this mark, or that some of them will, or that people who show it must be royal, or if you don't show it you are not royal, or that the trait might be the sign of a rare genetic marker (SNP), or something. It all seems seems rather woolly to me.

Incidentally the mark is described as an ear-lobe marker, appearing as a horizontal crease in line with the tip of their noses that leads into a partial peirce mark. I can't see it in any of the pictures but my eyes are not what they used to be.

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2016, 11:32:55 PM »
Thank you for your comments, we appreciate some eyes may be getting weaker as one ages but as you may have read some have gone to Royal Bloodline Descent pages on facebook and commented they have seen such inherited DNA markers

We can advise there  will be a number of other pictures will presented that include a few more in the Czars Nicholas 11 Romanov side, as well Kaiser Wilhelm 11 lineage including his cousin Max von Baden a first cousin of the kaiser.  There will be a third royal family line related to Nicholas 11 and Wilhelm 11 showing on some of their family also inherited  the identical marker.

In closing at this time we noted in comments that there is no conclusive DNA proof been presented but probably in future months ahead such testing may be done on a living person.   When the DNA was conducted by very experienced Geneticists about ten years past comment of their finding found Czar Nicholas 11 had a rare mutation in his DNA.  . 

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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2016, 11:40:35 PM »
It would be interesting if you could get some of the relevant people to do some modern DNA tests. The science of genetic genealogy and genetic DNA tests has made enormous strides in the last 10 years and anything done then would probably be out-of-date by now.

There are a variety of DNA tests available through 23andMe.com, Ancestry.com and FTDNA.com for various purposes, and the appropriate tests would depend on exactly what questions you are trying to answer.

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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 01:21:23 PM »
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What you have said it would be interesting if some of the relevant people do some modern day DNA tests. You speak of there are a variety of DNA tests available through 23 and me and others mentioned. 23andme  is a good company if one wants to know of their possible health concerns one may have in the future, unfortunately they do not specialize in DNA studies that may show who one is related to in a specific ancestry.

You may have seen our comments on a facebook page that shows that certain born royals in three independent royal families share the same visible gene from birth on a few of each family and those that do inherit the visible DNA markers from birth will pass on the visible genetic marker tor the other of ones new born and that is how it keeps on descending in royal families who share the same ancestor.  If one has seen the photos of certain royals it shows the gene that is passed down flows through a genetic bloodline by sharing ones same ancestor. Geneticist advise this process of inheriting the same is called a family line complex inheritance, in other words this rare gene is  passed down to those who share the same family ancestor. 



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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 01:22:51 PM »
Yes, DNA showed that Nicholas II and his brother George had a rare Haplotype mutation.  The problem is that just because he HAD a mutation does link any physical traits to that specific DNA mutation.  You must show a causal relationship between the two for your assertions to be correct.

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2016, 07:43:49 PM »
Genes which control appearance (including ear-shape) are found in chromosomal DNA. The rare mutation which is often referred to as appearing in Nicholas II's DNA is in his mitochondrial DNA. That is completely separate from the chromosomes and does not contain genes which affect how you look. It bears no relation to the shape of his ears.

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2016, 11:52:56 PM »
If anyone is interested in the DNA of ear-shape there is a useful paper with details at http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150624/ncomms8500/fig_tab/ncomms8500_F2.html n

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2016, 07:30:18 PM »
As we have promised we have again posted a new photo of a Prince who was Kaiser Wilhelm 11, first German cousin. his name was Prince Max von Baden. One can see  the partial pierced earlobe visible markers on him as well. A a couple more of other german royals will be posted then we will provide photos that show it too has been passed on to British Royals or might it have come from the british royals who were related to all three royal lines.

There is some doubt in the minds of a few knowledgeable members that the pictures and the visible genetic earlobe markers from birth are fake, we personally know they are not, but all comments are appreciated.

In closing for now there is a lady and son who claim the right to the non existent throne of Nicholas 11 and his son Alexei, might  they be  correct or not ,  if so do they show the identical DNA visible markers as the last Czar of Russia and his son Alexis and daughter Anastasia.

We have yet been unable to find the inherited visible royal DNA markers showing on them . The mother of the future claimant as we understand married a german Prince who we believe was a grandson of kaiser Wilhelm 11, why is it that the future claimant does not show what has been spoken about.  So why have the royal inherited visible markers been missed by the claimant.    These are questions shown with respect to others mentioned.t but your are the judges of all said facts we have presented so far'


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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2016, 07:58:15 PM »
The reason why a descendant of a royal person does not exhibit this, or any, inherited trait, is that a person inherits half their DNA from each parent, and they only inherit HALF of a their father's DNA and half of their mother's DNA. Which segments you inherit from each parent is entirely random so there is only a 50% chance that any royal child will inherit the earmark from its royal parent. About half the children might carry the mark, the other half will not.

It is NOT TRUE that a trait that is shown by some royals will be automatically shown by all their descendants. That is contrary to the laws of inheritance. It is why brothers do not look exactly alike or sisters look exactly alike unless they are identical twins, and very few of us are.  Everyone gets a different mix of their parents' DNA and there is no rule that says you will all get a specific trait.

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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2016, 01:03:08 PM »
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Nice to hear from you again , yes you are correct in the sense of both parents contribute 50/50 of their genetic make up, but in the case of Nicholas 11 passing om his mutation to Alexi and Anastasia . and you are aware  Nicholas 11 and his brother shared the same mutation could you explain by what means does one inherits the mutation of one parent and a portion of another parent who did not share that same mutation.

Royal Bloodline Descent has never claimed the fact of parents do not share their DNA with their children, what information RBD has shown is one parent like Nicholas 11 did have a mutation and from that mutation visible DNA ear lobe markers evolved and were passed down to one or more of their children and grandchildren. This gene mutation continues on today as it did a hundred plus years ago  which would mean the mutation continues to be inherited .

For example a young prince when born showed the mutation ear lobe markers, but when his sister was born a couple of years later the young princess showed no such inherited markers that would show the 50/50 inheritance of each parents genes

I t is nice to hear from someone like yourself which appears that you have  biology training or are a biologist. As to the markers been fake only the photographic proof provided so far backs our comments with photos  We don't expect you or others to believe any or all photographic evidence provided so far, but as you have suggested before photos can be changed as is the case of a young prince born with the inherited earlobe markers that can be seen in photos, but when his younger sister is born his inherited DNA markers are moved up on his earlobes in an effort by someone to hide the inherited markers because his sister does not show the same.

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Re: Rare Bloodline DNA of Nicholas 11
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2016, 03:15:20 PM »
The major flaw in your theory is that you can NOT DEMONSTRATE that the specific mutation Nicholas II and George had is the physical cause of the ear lobe shape.  Until you can do that, your theory is just speculation and nothing more.