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« Reply #180 on: October 16, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »
Is this painting by Lucas Cranach the elder? It looks like one of his...

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« Reply #181 on: October 17, 2009, 07:36:26 AM »
yes, it´s from Lucas

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« Reply #182 on: October 18, 2009, 03:39:15 PM »
Very lovely . But Monika had not any Saxon blood...

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« Reply #183 on: October 21, 2009, 04:19:29 AM »
In fact her mother Luise of Tuscany's great-grandmother was Maria Ferdinanda of Saxony, the sister of King Johann I of Saxony who was the grandfather of Luise's first husband Frederick August of Saxony.   So Monika still descended from the royal house of Saxony, even if you discount Frederick August.

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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #184 on: October 21, 2009, 10:35:44 PM »
Was it ever decided that there was no chance that she was Frederick August's child? Or is that supposition based on Luise's behavior before, during and after her pregnancy?
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« Reply #185 on: October 24, 2009, 09:46:13 AM »
In fact her mother Luise of Tuscany's great-grandmother was Maria Ferdinanda of Saxony, the sister of King Johann I of Saxony who was the grandfather of Luise's first husband Frederick August of Saxony.   So Monika still descended from the royal house of Saxony, even if you discount Frederick August.

Maria Ferdinanda of Saxony, the second wife of Grand Duke Ferdinand III of Tuscany, was childless. It was his first wife, Louise of Naples, who gave him children and was the great-grandmother of Louise.

Was it ever decided that there was no chance that she was Frederick August's child? Or is that supposition based on Luise's behavior before, during and after her pregnancy?

I was wondering the same. In any case, I guess most people didn't regard Monika as Frederick August's child, whether she was or not.
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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #186 on: October 26, 2009, 08:41:55 AM »
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Maria Ferdinanda of Saxony, the second wife of Grand Duke Ferdinand III of Tuscany, was childless. It was his first wife, Louise of Naples, who gave him children and was the great-grandmother of Louise.

Thank you for correcting me Trentk80 - there were many intermarriages between the Saxons and the Habsburgs of Tuscany that I became derailed!  In fact most of them seemed to produce no children but were probably the reason why the marriage was arranged in the first place, because of the previous family connections.  But I note that Louise of Naples' grandmother was Maria Amalia of Saxony, so there is a Saxon connection although a bit further back.

However, the 'princess of saxony' in Cranach's painting is thought to be Elizabeth of Hesse, the future wife of Johann Duke of Saxony, who died childless.  So she might not have been a Saxon either!

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« Reply #187 on: November 23, 2009, 12:00:29 AM »
here is a recent photo of the Wettin city palace in Dresden.

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« Reply #188 on: November 23, 2009, 11:06:37 AM »
The building, today, is a museum, housing several worthwhile displays of very interesting pieces of art and artifacts. This palace was mostly destroyed in the bombing, but the exterior has been carefully restored. the interior spaces were created for museum needs and crowd movement. It was done very nicely and the result is a wonderful focal point of the AltStadt.

Restored palaces can become a dime-a-dozen if they are simply used to show how their royal occupants once live. Bedrooms, dining rooms, art galleries, throne rooms, etc all become very much alike. The mixed-use concept seems to work well, I think, and while maintaining the historic appearance of the exterior, it's a win win for all concerned.

Nice post cards! Note the Taschenbergpalais on the far right. This was a lovely palace for Augustus' mistress. Completely destroyed in 1945, it is not rebuilt with original exteriors but a modern and wonderful hotel inside. Here's the Taschenberg today in the background with the royal palace on the left:


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« Reply #189 on: November 23, 2009, 05:25:43 PM »
Yes, thank you.

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« Reply #190 on: November 23, 2009, 05:43:04 PM »
It is nice to know that not all the palaces were destroyed.

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« Reply #191 on: November 23, 2009, 06:41:40 PM »
It is nice to know that not all the palaces were destroyed.

Pretty much they were if they were in any major urban location. The ones we are talking about here were ruined; then rebuilt.
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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #192 on: February 28, 2010, 11:52:02 AM »


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Can someone post any photos of Ana Monika second husband Reginald Kazanjan, with or w/o her ?
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« Reply #193 on: March 14, 2010, 06:11:32 PM »
I've enjoyed this thread immensely, because so little is known about the 19th-century Saxon RF besides the scandal surrounding Crown Princess Luise, because they neither were part of the Queen Victoria/Glücksborg clan nor produced such celebrities as the Habsburgs and Wittelsbachs.

The dynasty was increasingly unpopular in the nineteenth century. The Catholicism of the ruling house (the people were mostly protestants) may have been a factor.
Did this perhaps lead to them surrounding themselves with more exclusive, old, imperial nobility, which often was Catholic, instead of possibly more liberal Protestant "meritocrats" ennobled through state service?

I guess also the fact that Saxony was the second most heavily industrialized area in the German Empire (after Prussia's Ruhr Area) and thus the cradle of a very strong Socialist movement (of course very much celebrated in the GDR (DDR)) also led to increasing alienation between RF and subjects. Plus that instead of increasing the franchise, like the liberal medium-sized German states, they went reactionary and adopted the Prussian model.

The personal union with Poland was never a success. The partners were too different. The Wettiner persisted in this dream however, even after Poland had ceased to exist. It was one of the reasons Frederick Augustus I supported Napoleon, which led to an embarassing and bloody defeat at the Battle of Leipzig in 1813, followed by the loss of half of Saxony's territory.

This is so shocking in the age when the other main dynasties increased their territory so much through secularisation and mediasation!
I also guess that the fact that the elevation of the old electorate to a kingdom was mired with that huge defeat also can explain why the Saxon RF with their treasure trove of jewels in the Green Vault, never bothered to acquire new royal regalia (besides the old Polish ones they already possessed) like the other new-minted sovereigns of Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden (and later, when they no longer were in personal union with the UK, also) Hanover.

If Saxony was not to be destroyed (saved only by Metternich), do you think it would have received the lands of the Ernestine branch and the other Thuringian duchies and principalities as mediatized territories?

Is anything known about how this loss affected the Saxon RF in the long run, for example their attitude towards Prussia? I can't believe they risked it all once more by supporting Austria in 1866!
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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #194 on: April 13, 2010, 03:43:20 AM »
Hello,

Does anyone know how I might contact HRH the Margrave Maria Emanuel of Saxony? I am writing a book about royal opposition to Hitler and should like to send him a couple of questions by way of interview if possible.