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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #225 on: November 17, 2010, 09:29:54 AM »


I don't believe Leopold was looking for any such cover for his own activities since he'd always been protective of his younger sister.

But he did marry his lover Wilhelmine Adamovic just after Luise's escape. Helping the sister Leopold  at the same time settled his own matters, that's a fact. Both siblings were rebels in the family.


As for Louise of Coburg book...dull reading actually, but a sad life anyway.
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« Reply #226 on: November 18, 2010, 09:24:45 PM »
Louis story is interesting, and I will read this autobiography, but, Why does the King always get the bad name for wanting to throw a wanton daughter in the nunnery?  Or did I miss something?

The King sounds like a stand up guy for trying to lock her up--or mad as a hatter.

At least, he did not drown her in a bathtub at birth, or throw her in the Chicago River during the 1920s, in America.

I recall a few New York Times articles about this: I will search for these.  As I recall, her tutor escaped to America, but I must double check.

I am so sorry to hear things ended so very baddly for all my dopplegangers and presumed kinsmen in Saxony.

Did Saint Louis of Mecklinburg-Sterlitz write an Autobiography?  Were these autobiographies a court custom?

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« Reply #227 on: November 18, 2010, 11:20:13 PM »
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50915FE3C5A17738DDDAA0994D8415B878CF1D3

I will find more, but cannot find them right now.  Google is being non-compliant.

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« Reply #228 on: November 20, 2010, 05:12:16 PM »
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F20612F63C5F12738DDDAB0A94DE405B828CF1D3
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60A14FB3F55107A93C3AA178CD85F4D8784F9
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10A10F639541B728DDDA00A94D1405B848CF1D3
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA071FFF3A5D11738DDDA80894DD405B8885F0D3

The above, although not about Louis, are still interesting.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FB091FFB385412738DDDA90A94DE405B828CF1D3  King Albert's Obituary
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50E15F8385412738DDDA80A94DE405B828CF1D3  Dressden One Day Later
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9401E1D61F3AE733A25756C1A9669D946597D6CF  King Georg's Obituary
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50D11FA3C5A15738DDDAE0994DA415B878CF1D3  Queen Carola's Obituary

The above, although not about Louis, are still interesting.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60712F7355F13718DDDAA0A94D8415B848CF1D3  Oct. 23, 1904
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00712FE3D5912738DDDAF0A94D8415B848CF1D3  Oct. 26, 1904
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40D1FFE385E12738DDDA80894D9405B858CF1D3   Jan. 1, 1905
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0E12F63D5912738DDDAA0994DA405B858CF1D3  Feb. 15, 1905
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60E1EFF3E5D12738DDDAB0994DD405B878CF1D3   May 12, 1907
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FB061FFB3C5512738DDDAA0894DF405B878CF1D3   Jul. 3, 1907
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50917FF3A5A15738DDDAB0A94DA415B878CF1D3  Dec. 22, 1907
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F3061FF83C5A17738DDDAB0894DA405B888CF1D3   Feb. 2, 1908
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F70E1FFE3D5517738DDDA10894DC405B888CF1D3   Monica goes home, Apr. 8, 1908
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F20611FE3D5411738DDDA10894D8415B808EF1D3   Louis sues Ticolli Oct. 8, 1920

The above are all about this Louis, but below are my absolute favourites, suggesting the King should convert to Lutheranism, and summoning his Jesuit brother to Rome to explain, Why he is in favour of reconcilliation with the Orthadox Church.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10813FF345A17738DDDA90A94D8415B878CF1D3  Oct. 20, 1907
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00C13FD385D11738DDDAE0A94DA415B808DF1D3  Dec. 27, 1910

I hope in some small way, this contributes to the forum: Or rather, I hope you would not have thought to look to the NY Times for such information.  There is much more, about many German topics, but it can be overwhelming to search for it.
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« Reply #229 on: November 21, 2010, 12:13:52 PM »
Thank you capttrips for all the interesting links -- it's nice the NYT still has a searchable database.

One link I noticed in particular was:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F20611FE3D5411738DDDA10894D8415B808EF1D3   Oct. 8, 1920

"Louise of Saxony Sues Musician Husband, says he spent money intended for son"

This article implies the young son of Louise and Ticolli was raised by his paternal grandmother.   Why couldn't Louise at least raise her last child?  
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« Reply #230 on: November 22, 2010, 08:57:09 AM »
A good guess is that Louise was obviously a renigade royal who had few commitments to relationships or family. A woman of that style and temperment, particularly at the turn of the last century, was hardling considered a fit mother.
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« Reply #231 on: November 22, 2010, 12:17:44 PM »
Here's a sad story about the bitter enemy of Louise, her sister-in-law, Matilde: 

"The Elopement that Failed"  pg 153
http://tinyurl.com/325nfb2


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« Reply #232 on: November 22, 2010, 10:06:31 PM »


This article implies the young son of Louise and Ticolli was raised by his paternal grandmother.   Why couldn't Louise at least raise her last child?  

Toselli won by court their son Filiberto as they had separated badly. Toselli was very possessive husband and constantly blamed Luisa in different flirts and adulteries. He did his best to win Filiberto from Luisa. And her reputation certainly didn't help her.
But anyway since the 1920s she got along very well with Filiberto.

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« Reply #233 on: December 28, 2010, 03:04:22 PM »
Has someone got any pictures of Pss Maria-Anna and her lebanese husband Robert of Afif-Gesaphe ?

I am also looking for pictures of Virginia Dulon, Pss Ernst-Heinrich, and of Charlotte Schwindack, Pss.Timo, as well as Pr. Rudiger's wives, Astrid Linke and Diana Dorndorf.

Thanks in advance

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« Reply #234 on: January 03, 2011, 12:12:24 PM »
I always thought that King Friedrich August III. von Sachsen was a good hearted man, but not to all of his subjects:



Begging the King’s Pardon

Grete A young woman tires of her lover’s affections and arranges to terminate them in a most conclusive manner. This is an old story, older than Delilah, and yet periodically throughout history, a femme fatale sets herself apart from the rest and secures ignominy that long outlasts her.

Marie Margarete “Grete” Beier was one such. She met all the most important criteria for world-wide infamy as a murderess—namely, she was young, lovely, promiscuous, and from a good family–her father was the mayor of Freiburg, Saxony. Her victim, too, was well-to-do, a young professional named Pressler. At her trial, the young girl would admit, “with simplicity,” that she poisoned her fiancé with cyanide of potassium before guaranteeing his death by putting his own pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger. She then planted in his rooms a fake suicide note; a will leaving his assets to Grete; and a forged letter from a supposed Italian wife threatening to ruin his relationship with Grete via a charge of bigamy.

Alas, Grete was naïve to the science of handwriting examination, which tripped her up. Her diabolical, nearly perfect plot to acquire Pressler’s assets while ridding herself of the nuisance of Pressler himself shocked the authorities. She was found guilty of murder and sentenced to die.

But those same authorities had developed tender feelings for poor Grete, who was, after all, only 22, and had acted under the influence of another lover who had lacked her father’s approval. It was thought that this young girl was only partly responsible and as much a victim as poor Pressler. The jury recommended leniency. The judges asked for grace, pointing out that she was a nymphomaniac, a mitigating fact in their minds. But the question of whether she would live or die was by law the decision of the King of Saxony.

King Freidrich August III had this to say: “She is a woman somewhat like the one who was my wife. Away with her.” So the King refused to pardon young Grete because she reminded him of his ex.

The King’s decision was decried throughout Europe and made him quite unpopular, but local authorities were compelled to obey. Old statutes were consulted on the proper method of execution, and as they followed these ancient tomes in all their particulars, on July 22, 1908, the girl was forced to dress in a gown—white by some descriptions, black by others. She was led to a stage in the middle of the night surrounded by the men who’d prosecuted her. A priest exhorted her to repent, and the girl was then guillotined.

King Freidrich would be the last King of Saxony; he was deposed ten years later, and we’re all the worse for being robbed of the pleasure of royal scandals from the Continent. Had he followed popular opinion more closely… ?


Link: http://www.laurajames.com/clews/2005/05/begging_the_kin.html





         

Grete Beier                                                                                                             Luise, Ex-crown Princess and former wife of King Friedrich August III.



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« Reply #235 on: January 03, 2011, 01:56:06 PM »
Thank you for that great article Marie Valerie.  In reading the book by Louisa, it seemed her husband was not so good in providing any sort of protection for his wife.  Louisa may have even had some mental illness, paranoia/persecution complex, or did that really come from nowhere? 

Her book was quite protective of her husband, but then it again, it had to be if she had any hope of seeing her children again -- which maybe she never did see them again?

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« Reply #236 on: January 03, 2011, 02:41:15 PM »
I always thought that King Friedrich August III. von Sachsen was a good hearted man, but not to all of his subjects:



Begging the King’s Pardon

Grete A young woman tires of her lover’s affections and arranges to terminate them in a most conclusive manner. This is an old story, older than Delilah, and yet periodically throughout history, a femme fatale sets herself apart from the rest and secures ignominy that long outlasts her.

Marie Margarete “Grete” Beier was one such. She met all the most important criteria for world-wide infamy as a murderess—namely, she was young, lovely, promiscuous, and from a good family–her father was the mayor of Freiburg, Saxony. Her victim, too, was well-to-do, a young professional named Pressler. At her trial, the young girl would admit, “with simplicity,” that she poisoned her fiancé with cyanide of potassium before guaranteeing his death by putting his own pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger. She then planted in his rooms a fake suicide note; a will leaving his assets to Grete; and a forged letter from a supposed Italian wife threatening to ruin his relationship with Grete via a charge of bigamy.

Alas, Grete was naïve to the science of handwriting examination, which tripped her up. Her diabolical, nearly perfect plot to acquire Pressler’s assets while ridding herself of the nuisance of Pressler himself shocked the authorities. She was found guilty of murder and sentenced to die.

But those same authorities had developed tender feelings for poor Grete, who was, after all, only 22, and had acted under the influence of another lover who had lacked her father’s approval. It was thought that this young girl was only partly responsible and as much a victim as poor Pressler. The jury recommended leniency. The judges asked for grace, pointing out that she was a nymphomaniac, a mitigating fact in their minds. But the question of whether she would live or die was by law the decision of the King of Saxony.

King Freidrich August III had this to say: “She is a woman somewhat like the one who was my wife. Away with her.” So the King refused to pardon young Grete because she reminded him of his ex.

The King’s decision was decried throughout Europe and made him quite unpopular, but local authorities were compelled to obey. Old statutes were consulted on the proper method of execution, and as they followed these ancient tomes in all their particulars, on July 22, 1908, the girl was forced to dress in a gown—white by some descriptions, black by others. She was led to a stage in the middle of the night surrounded by the men who’d prosecuted her. A priest exhorted her to repent, and the girl was then guillotined.

King Freidrich would be the last King of Saxony; he was deposed ten years later, and we’re all the worse for being robbed of the pleasure of royal scandals from the Continent. Had he followed popular opinion more closely… ?


Link: http://www.laurajames.com/clews/2005/05/begging_the_kin.html





         

Grete Beier                                                                                                             Luise, Ex-crown Princess and former wife of King Friedrich August III.





Seems the king was an early feminist—equal treatment/punishment regardless of gender.
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« Reply #237 on: January 14, 2011, 02:54:39 AM »
Marie_Valerie, thank you for such information.  Forgive my disdain for the topic of Louisa, but my family has one of its own.

I bet she looks like these women--it must cost a lot to be a flapper.  "If I had a duck, It would drown."

Fyoder, I want to know a lot more about these de Afifs.  Since, well, they lived in my Grandpa's subdivision.  I might be the only person on planet earth who could believe, "Well, um, the country forgot us in Lebannon during the crusades," because, um, well, No one knows who the Kuhns are.

I tried to show you pictures, but you scoffed at me.  Roberto or Humbeto de Afif was at my dad's wedding, as was Jorge and Maria Peralta (my mom and aunt's friends from highschool.)  They are passing football scores, or secret messages--ha ha.

I still want to know a lot more about August the Strong, such as, does he have any court memoirs like Louise?

And, again, does Saint Louise, mother of Wilhelm I have such memoirs.

http://www.vigo.lib.in.us/archives/genhistories/oakey/Volume1/Part1/pt030.pdf

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« Reply #238 on: March 01, 2011, 03:57:01 PM »


Prince Ernst-Heinrich of Saxony with one of his sons.

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« Reply #239 on: March 01, 2011, 03:59:57 PM »






Ernst-Heinrich's sons Princes Dedo, Timo, and Gero



With their mother, Princess Sophie of Luxembourg.
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