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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #210 on: July 13, 2010, 11:50:33 PM »
You mean this photo or a photo of the real Timo & Margit ? Do make that clear.

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« Reply #211 on: July 14, 2010, 12:33:26 AM »
You mean this photo or a photo of the real Timo & Margit ? Do make that clear.

I quoted your post about question of those "Timo and Margit" posted by Rani. Do pay attention.


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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #212 on: July 14, 2010, 12:46:47 AM »
I still do not know if you are referring to that photo or another one of Timo & Margit has been posted in the forum. If so can you referr to it specifically  ?

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« Reply #213 on: July 14, 2010, 03:57:18 AM »
I still do not know if you are referring to that photo or another one of Timo & Margit has been posted in the forum. If so can you referr to it specifically  ?

Photo of real Timo and Margit had been posted at another Royal Forum. I saved it but had no intention to post it here.

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« Reply #214 on: July 14, 2010, 05:09:58 AM »
Thanks Svetabel! But the ears of the man confused me :) Sophie sons had really big ears. And the man on the photo looks like him, and I thought it must be him.

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« Reply #215 on: July 14, 2010, 06:38:59 AM »
Rani, Margrit (not Margit) was blonde (albeit it bottle enhanced)and was beautful and that is definitely not Ti mo! I am hoping to go to Germany soon to visit some of my relatives. Gisela and Irmgard,who preferred to be called Else, (her last of four middle names) were her two sisters and Karl Heinz ( a musician) and Gerhard (who is still alive ) were her two brothers. There now I've given a lot away! Do any of you live inGermany in the Saxony area?

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« Reply #216 on: July 17, 2010, 06:35:49 AM »
As I understand it, there are no more "equal" born members of the Saxon Royal House besides the Margrave of Meissen and Prince Albert? The rest are all from morganatic unions?

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« Reply #217 on: July 18, 2010, 02:42:47 AM »
I understand from the Rules of Saxon Royal Lineage that the only reason a morganatic marriage was not allowed was because the ruler at the time would not accept or give title. It was not always a forgone unalterable conclusion. Margrit died too young for anyone to have formally raised her status. (ie a gift of title as in other royal houses) I am trying to follow the Lucas lineage because Lucas spelt with a C is not German but French and my mother's family also had to flee because they were apparently quite well off in East Germany. Karl was a butcher in  the West- I am not so sure about his life and occupation in the East. My mother remembered fleeing with handfuls of coins in her little coat as i guess they all did... and I'm not sure of the truth about  my mother having servants as a child or not . Sometimes childhood memories can be skewed but I tend to believe her last three years  divulging her life. Rivetting stuff for me and I would love to know her history more fully. I also have a photo of an elderly couple with what looks like a Tiara on the woman's head. That couple in particular look very regal. From what they are wearing in the photo it looks to have been taken on Timo and Margrit's wedding day.

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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #218 on: November 05, 2010, 02:36:40 PM »
Did the Saxon royals get any of their property back after reunification?

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« Reply #219 on: November 16, 2010, 02:31:18 PM »
Finished reading "My Own Story" by Louise of Tuscany who became the crown princess of Saxony.  It's a sad story and one can just feel the cruel wheels of destiny turning against her and there was nothing she could do about it.   It seemed to start since like some of her Habsburgs relatives, she couldn't get with the program -- she had to express her own personality even if it was against all court protocols since she felt like she would lose herself otherwise.

As a result, she inspired strong hate by some Saxons, including her father-in-law and some of his ministers.  Then being a smart woman, she became paranoid -- perhaps with good reason, but she claimed her father-in-law told her he was going to put her away forever in an insane asylum and that was what she feared  more than anything.  So she escaped by herself, alone.  She didn't run off with Giron or any other man.

It was Louise's brother Leopold that helped her to escape -- possibly because he knew how real the threat was in those days among royals who had become a "nuisance" to be locked up forever in the living death of some asylum.   He was locked up in one himself by Franz Joseph for about a month before he was able to manipulate himself out.   However, Leopold told his sister that he would have limited ability to keep rescuing her since he was sure she would go back to Dresden and then she'd be locked up.  So the paranoid Louise said she insured this would never happen by compromising her reputation beyond repair by asking Giron the teacher to come stay with her for a few weeks.

On another note, I doubt the Saxon court would have been so determined to take custody of Monica if they had any suspicion she was not the king's daughter.

But as Leopold predicted, it eventually happened.  Several years after Louise wrote her book, at the start of WWI, her husband, King Frederick Augustus offered her one of his castles in Saxony, Louise agreed and as soon as she crossed the German border, she was arrested by Wilhelm II, put in an insane asylum and never heard from again as far as I know?  

Louise only described her husband as weak but good, but I wonder if she was being too kind?

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« Reply #220 on: November 16, 2010, 07:59:32 PM »
Finished reading "My Own Story" by Louise of Tuscany who became the crown princess of Saxony.  It's a sad story and one can just feel the cruel wheels of destiny turning against her and there was nothing she could do about it.   It seemed to start since like some of her Habsburgs relatives, she couldn't get with the program -- she had to express her own personality even if it was against all court protocols since she felt like she would lose herself otherwise.

As a result, she inspired strong hate by some Saxons, including her father-in-law and some of his ministers.  Then being a smart woman, she became paranoid -- perhaps with good reason, but she claimed her father-in-law told her he was going to put her away forever in an insane asylum and that was what she feared  more than anything.  So she escaped by herself, alone.  She didn't run off with Giron or any other man.

Thanks for the summary, Pezzazz! I have always been interested in Louise of Tuscany and haven't read her autobiography yet.  Didn't she liken herself to Marie Antoinette in France? I'm interested in her parallelism with MA, although I very much disagree, in the case of Marie Antoinette, that her flouting of etiquette was the main source of conflict and that she couldn't do anything about her problems in France due to destiny . Also, it seems that Louise was much smarter than MA, in recognising early on the danger her enemies could do....  

Incidentally, I think said book also features Maria Anna of Saxony (born 1799) and perhaps her older sister Maria Ferdinanda of Saxony (born 1794) as well? If it does, I'd very much appreciate if you could post what it says about them.   :)  
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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #221 on: November 17, 2010, 12:54:03 AM »



It was Louise's brother Leopold that helped her to escape -- possibly because he knew how real the threat was in those days among royals who had become a "nuisance" to be locked up forever in the living death of some asylum.   He was locked up in one himself by Franz Joseph for about a month before he was able to manipulate himself out.   However, Leopold told his sister that he would have limited ability to keep rescuing her since he was sure she would go back to Dresden and then she'd be locked up.  So the paranoid Louise said she insured this would never happen by compromising her reputation beyond repair by asking Giron the teacher to come stay with her for a few weeks.

On another note, I doubt the Saxon court would have been so determined to take custody of Monica if they had any suspicion she was not the king's daughter.




Leopold had his own reasons to help his sister. He secretly married his lover just after Luise's escape.

I said before in other topic that Luise described the Saxon Royal family as a team of total freaks. Only her husband was reported favourably. She really sounds as a paranoid sometimes speaking about her grievances.

She didn't end her life in an asylim, she kept low profile living in Brussels.

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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #222 on: November 17, 2010, 06:46:18 AM »
Did the 'total freaks' include Luise's three sons? They sound rather pleasant.

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« Reply #223 on: November 17, 2010, 08:50:52 AM »

I said before in other topic that Luise described the Saxon Royal family as a team of total freaks. Only her husband was reported favourably. She really sounds as a paranoid sometimes speaking about her grievances.


I also just finished "My Own Story" by Louise of Coburg and there is a striking similarity of the clear presence of the wheels of destiny turning for both women.  They both had strong character defects in that Louise of Coburg was a narcissist (she described her own children as human vultures), and Louise of Saxony was a bigot (everyone else was freaks).  This led to a fear on their part, a fear of persecution, perhaps because they were persecuted.  I do hope they found some peace and resolution in their latter years since they both suffered far more than the usual.


Leopold had his own reasons to help his sister. He secretly married his lover just after Luise's escape.


I don't believe Leopold was looking for any such cover for his own activities since he'd always been protective of his younger sister.
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« Reply #224 on: November 17, 2010, 09:27:12 AM »
Did the 'total freaks' include Luise's three sons? They sound rather pleasant.

Ann

I didn't mean her chidren, only father-in-law, sister-in-law and brother-in-law.