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Schleswig-Holstein wars
kmerov:
--- Quote from: Fyodor Petrovich on March 02, 2010, 09:08:40 PM ---As you know, kmerov, I love this issue. Thus, I object to it being so far so good :-)
2. The 1460 Treaty of Ribe, binding Slesvig forever to Holstein so dat se bliwen ewich tosamende ungedelt, that they remain forever united undidived, greatly complicates things. Would it be possible to argue, that although the divisions of the Duchies in royal and ducal parts were engineered to bypass this treaty by giving each part (king and duke) parts in both duchy and letting the manorial districts along the Baltic be jointly ruled, this actual division made the treaty rather hollow and then quite void when King Frederik IV seized the Gottorp territory in Slesvig, leaving Holstein-Gottorp (and its enemy Dukes, among them Tsar Peter III of Russia) a virtually foreign power? So that when the Treaty of Tsarskoe Selo came about, the Treaty of Ribe was already null and void?
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I think that, since the family division of Schleswig and Holstein did not mean that the Duchies were split up into different small states legally, they were still undivided, but ruled together by several Dukes.
kmerov:
A more poetic mockering of the Duke of Augustenburg and his attempts to win Schleswig-Holstein in 1848. The caption includes his fake "motto". "I'm going to reach it said the boy, he jumped in the water after the moon".
Naslednik Norvezhskiy:
The euphoria of the reunification of 1920 was summed up in wonderful, corny pathos by the poet Henrik Pontoppidan:
Det lyder som et eventyr,
et sagn fra gamle dage:
en røvet datter, dybt begrædt
er kommen frelst tilbage!
=
It is the stuff of fairytales,
of legends from the past:
a kidnapped daughter, deeply mourned
has safe and sound returned!
Naslednik Norvezhskiy:
A historian who has gotten privileged access to Christian IX's private archive has uncovered that after the defeat in 1864 the King quite unconstitutionally, bypassing his cabinet, made an inquiry through the Belgian King to the Prussian King concerning the possibility of Denmark, as an intact monarchy including Slesvig and Holstein, could become a member of the German Federation!
See Politiken: Hemmeligt arkiv: Kongen tilbød Danmark til tyskerne efter 1864
Danish newspapers report this sensationally as "The King offered Denmark to the Germans", which of course is only half the truth: Christian IX probably thought: Better subjected and intact, than nominally independent and life-threatening maimed. (As such it's an interesting parallell to any EU debate!) And at the peace negociations in Vienna, his cabinet did support Danish requests to become a member of the German Federation. But Bismarck said no. He wanted no Danes, only Schleswig-Holstein.
kmerov:
Yes, it has been reported in sensation style, but of course the situation was not so clear-cut, and the German states were not the united Germany of 1870 and beyond. But interesting none the less.
The loss of the Duchies also made some people question Christian IX being King, not because of the defeat but in the legal sence, since he was made heir in 1853 so the monarchy could remain intact.
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