The Reuss family

[Margot]

Yes Robert I know what you mean! I just refer to them by their number now! Where is Arturo? Haven't seen him about for ages?

He must be very busy on some marvelous new project!

By the way Alexander Sebastianovich thank you very much for all the lovely information!

I shall have to try and have a rootle and see what I can dig up!

[Robert_Hall]

 Arturo is quite busy- with several projects including his family.
 However, going through this thread, there are several experts on the Reuss, I notice.  They- the Reuss are sort of a specialised subject that I know very little about. I might think  their numbering systems a bit odd, but, what the hey, I am not one of them, am I ? They must have other names they call each other. Can you imagine a roomful of Heinriks?  all with numbers...

[Marc]

Well,Princes Reuss zu Plauen had a bit different system..they had name Heinrich and also had other names...such as:

-Prince Heinrich Harry Reuss zu Plauen(1890-1951)

-Prince Heinrich Enzio Reuss zu Paluen(1922-2000)

-Prince Heinrich Ruzzo Reuss zu Paluen(1950-1999)
 
-Prince Heinrich Achaz Reuss zu Paluen(1956-....)

-Prince Heinrich Pelas Reuss zu Paluen(1922-1982)


Also some other members of Plauen line had other names in front of Heinrich such as Rigo Heinrich,Richard Heinrich,Enzio Heinrich,Enzio Victor Heinrich,Callixte Kalle Heinrich or even without Heinrich such as Friedrich Rigo Reuss zu Plauen...

[Robert_Hall]

Is it all males, or just the first born that are named Heinrich ?

[Marc]

Is it all males, or just the first born that are named Heinrich ?

Those are some male members of Reuss zu Plauen line...one of them is famous Prince Heinrich Ruzzo Reuss zu Plauen who was a school friend of King of Sweden and married to ABBA singer Anni-Frid...

P.S.All male members had the name of Heinrich,just the numbers are different and go up from beginning until the end of one century and then again...as far as I understood

[Alexander Sebastianovich]

@ thanks very much

As I´m from Germany, feel free to ask if you want to know about such topics

@ Robert Hall

All newborn male -at least of the ruling branches- were christianed Heinrich.

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I don´t know about the financial situation of both courts, but here are some numbers for the states themselves:

Earnings and expenses of R. ältere Linie were in 1906 planned as 1,780,702 Reichsmark (Mk.). Incomes: Direct taxes: 618,805 Mk., indirect taxes: 831,598 Mk., other dues: 160,794 Mk. Largest part of the expenses were for purposes of the Reich (871,673 Mk.)

R. jüngere Linie - planned for 1906: Earnings and expenses: 2,480,156 Mk. Indirect taxes 553,180 Mk., direct ones 1,137,000 Mk., other dues 273,700 Mk. Expenses for Reich purposes 590,845 Mk.
The national debt in R. jüngere Linie was in 1905: 1,040,550 Mk.
R. ältere Linie had no debt in 1905.

So, first both Reuß did not differ proportionally in the income, i.e. Reuß ä.L. seems proportionally richer than the bigger j.L. That should have influenced the Fürst´s own earnings ("Apanagen"), too! On the other hand, both Fürsten Reuß won´t have received too much as these principalities were one of the smallest states in the Reich.

In relation the Apanagen/Civillisten (all incomes) of other german monarchs of the 1890ies:
König von Preußen: 15.719.296 Mk.
König von Württemberg: 1.799.459 Mk. (Civilliste) and 295.849 Mk. Apanagen
Großherzog von Baden: 1,739,126 Mk. (1885)
König von Bayern: 4.231.044 Mk. permanent Civilliste des Königs (Otto), 442.857 Mk. Apanage of the Reichsverwesers Prinzregent Luitpold and 730.949 Mk. other Apanagen
Großherzog von Hessen und bei Rhein: 1.265.500 Mk.

Reuß would have received MUCH less.

Around 1895 Nicholas II. had a regular income of 8.950.000 roubles. Don´t know what a rouble was in Mk. or in today´s value.

[Naslednik Norvezhskiy]

Reuß would have received MUCH less.

Reuß jüngerer Linie didn't receive any civil list, instead they owned most of the trees in their state. See this new topic: Civil Lists in the German Empire and Europe! Considering how extremely reactionary Heinrich "der Unartige" of Reuß älterer Linie was, I doubt it was much different over in Greiz.

Tip:
BTW now it's just become a joy to post in the Reuß thread when I discovered that I don't have to type the Unicode "Ctrl Shift UDF" (which is hard to remember) to produce a ß, but just "AltGr S" (in Firefox with Ubuntu on a Toshiba Satelite laptop)!

[Robert_Hall]

 You guys are amazing. As I do not read German,  this sort of information  was unknown to me. Thank you very much!

[Naslednik Norvezhskiy]

You guys are amazing. As I do not read German,  this sort of information  was unknown to me. Thank you very much!

You're welcome! More obscure information from obscure Reuß:
I see from the 1905 edition of Meyers Konversationslexikon that while the revolution was imminent in Reuß jüngerer Linie with 5 out of the 15-member diet being Social Democrats, His Serene Highness's Social Democratic opposition was still limited to only 1 representative (out of 12) in Reuß älterer Linie! But that was perhaps a more than worrying quick increase, as all political parties had been banned until the demise of Prince Heinrich XXII der Unartige (the Naughty) in 1902!

(He was thus far more arch-reactionary than Bismarck, who only banned the Social Democratic Party and Christian IX of Denmark who was a model constitutional monarch who reigned most unconstitutionally through solely Conservative prime ministers issuing temporary ordinances; but a spiritual collegue of absolutist Frederik VI of Denmark, who, using the royal we, allegedly quipped: Vi alene vide (We alone know (what's best for our lands and realms.)

[Marc]

Woizlawa Feodora Reuss with her son at the wedding of her granddaughter Benigna:

http://media201.zgt.de/004FF9F3_94DD79F3E4932F89AB39EE202EF37B95

Princess Benigna wearing diamond tiara:

http://media201.zgt.de/004FF9EC_D43EA7D253F59B52A767CD30AE48F006

And a video of the wedding:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DbCuqHYk6o

[Kalafrana]

I'm agog to hear why Heinrich XXII was called 'the Naughty'!

Meanwhile, according to the memoirs of Wilhelm II's Chancellor, Prince von Bulow, all the various Heinrich's had nicknames, some based on their numbers, so Heinrich IX was known as 'Pio Nono'.

Ann

[Eric_Lowe]

I think there is a lot of confusion for people outside to understand the family.

[Rani]

Wedding of Benigna Prinzessin Reuss zu Köstritz, on Saturday September 3, 2011 in Schleitz, with Oscar de Ascoz y Planes.
Benigna is the daughter of Elisabeth and Heinrich X Prinz Reuss zu Köstritz (divorced frome ach other).
The wedding was held by Cardinal Dario Castrillón et Hoyos and with the bless of Pope Benedict XVI.

[Eric_Lowe]

I think the groom's uniform stole the show than her dress...

[Kalafrana]

The picture of Heinrich XXXIII and his wife in Msge 43 is much better thean their wedding picture, where both look about as unhappy as it's possible to be.

Ann