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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #165 on: August 31, 2012, 10:59:52 AM »
Just came across this map and thought I'd post

1= Mass Grave
2= Alexei and Maria

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #166 on: September 25, 2012, 11:05:36 AM »
It is interesting to see that my old quotes are still being reposted.

There are old threads that have some great discussions on these same questions.   UC Berkeley Bear and UCLA Bruin often went toe to toe... :>)     as did many others with Bear.   We were all after the same goal which was to discover the truth.  

Due to the fact that the Russians were sloppy in their investigation from 1917 to the excavation of the mass grave and the site  with the two bodies,  some questions will never have answers.

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #167 on: September 25, 2012, 12:20:08 PM »
The crucial questions have all been answered. Nicholas, Alexandra, Alexei and all four daughters have all been accounted for by DNA and other forensic techniques. There is some question over the daughter found with Alexei - is she Marie or Anastasia? But there is no room for doubt that they were all killed at Ekaterinburg, and therefore every person claiming to be one or other of them after July 1917 was an imposter, and every person claiming to have seen one of them after July 1917 was mistaken.

Why can't the supporters of Anna Anderson (and there are still a few around, busily proving themselves mopre and more deluded as time goes on) accept these simple facts?

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« Reply #168 on: September 25, 2012, 01:01:24 PM »
The crucial questions have all been answered. Nicholas, Alexandra, Alexei and all four daughters have all been accounted for by DNA and other forensic techniques. There is some question over the daughter found with Alexei - is she Marie or Anastasia? But there is no room for doubt that they were all killed at Ekaterinburg, and therefore every person claiming to be one or other of them after July 1917 was an imposter, and every person claiming to have seen one of them after July 1917 was mistaken.

Why can't the supporters of Anna Anderson (and there are still a few around, busily proving themselves mopre and more deluded as time goes on) accept these simple facts?

Ann

Probably because they'll pick out even the most minor inconsistency and willfully ignore the other 99.9% that's proof. Such as...[see above] :-)
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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #169 on: September 25, 2012, 03:14:19 PM »
I have come across this poster on another forum as an enthusiast for Anna Anderson.

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #170 on: September 25, 2012, 03:27:09 PM »
I have come across this poster on another forum as an enthusiast for Anna Anderson.

Ann

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #171 on: September 25, 2012, 03:43:56 PM »
The crucial questions have all been answered. Nicholas, Alexandra, Alexei and all four daughters have all been accounted for by DNA and other forensic techniques. There is some question over the daughter found with Alexei - is she Marie or Anastasia? But there is no room for doubt that they were all killed at Ekaterinburg, and therefore every person claiming to be one or other of them after July 1917 was an imposter, and every person claiming to have seen one of them after July 1917 was mistaken.

Why can't the supporters of Anna Anderson (and there are still a few around, busily proving themselves mopre and more deluded as time goes on) accept these simple facts?

Ann

I agree Ann. But people will believe what they want to believe, and they will see what they want to see. If someone is set on the idea that Anna Anderson was Anastasia, and have been believing so for years, then little can be done that will change their minds. It doesn't really matter which daughter was in the 2007 grave - we here at the AF just like to be particular about these things! But what really mattered was establishing the death of this family and their retainers. So far, the evidence to support the conclusion they were all murdered has been beyond overwhelming, and no imposter story comes close to rivalling it's credibility.

Speaking of inconsistencies, aren't there more inconsistencies in the theory of a survivor than than the idea the whole family was killed? For example, AA claimed that a guard named Alexander Tchaikovsky (sp!) rescued her from the murder room, when there was no guard named Alexander Tchaikovsky doing duty at the Ipatiev House or even living in Yekaterinburg at the time of the murders.

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #172 on: September 25, 2012, 04:06:01 PM »
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Some people just can't, or won't, accept the truth.  There are still people out there who think the Earth is flat.
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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #173 on: September 26, 2012, 07:49:10 AM »
'Who is that?'

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #174 on: September 26, 2012, 09:03:31 PM »
From my first post to the last post,  I never believed Anna Anderson was Anastasia,  however, I did ask a lot of questions.  So do not believe that I believed Anna was Anastasia  by poster who may  give my words out of contents from the many many threads.

I had a lot of questions about the excavation of both burial sites.  Still do even if most people do not.  

The DNA was a mystery to me and due to a lot of post in this forum,  I managed to grasp it and have learned a great deal about DNA and the people who tested the corpses in the graves.  I have never voiced that the bodies found were not Romanovs.

So,  please,  let us not get into throwing mud at Bear just because I asked a lot of questions while trying to learn the truth.

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« Last Edit: September 26, 2012, 09:06:46 PM by AGRBear »
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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #175 on: September 27, 2012, 03:46:03 AM »
Having read your posts here and elsewhere (and given up on the other forum because it was full of Anna Anderson supporters), I can say that the kind of questions you ask appear to the reader to suggest that you do not believe all seven of the Imperial Family are now accounted for way beyond reasonable doubt.

Maybe the excavation was not carried out very well, and numerous bones are still missing. However, you do not need to be a scientist to know that if you find three tibias in a hole in the ground they must have come from two, or possibly three, people. Enough bones were found to establish that there were nine people in the first pit and two in the second. DNA then showed the various genetic links between the Romanov bones (and presumably established also that the other four individuals were neither related to the Romanovs nor to each other). Meanwhile, DNA analysis had established, independently, that Anna Anderson was not a Romanov.

We can ask questions about the Pig's Meadow excavations, and why it is that such a high proportion of bones seem not to have been found. But that does not alter the basic facts as given above.

So endlessly harping on the topic suggests either support for imposters or an ego trip (and referring to oneself in the third person certainly suggests an ego trip).

Ann

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #176 on: September 27, 2012, 09:01:13 AM »
Ann,

Bear is, inquisitive. Her agenda is benign and sometimes mysterious, occasionally irritating.... Never anything else. Trust me, been there, done that. LOL

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« Reply #177 on: September 27, 2012, 10:20:28 AM »
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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #178 on: September 27, 2012, 10:43:56 AM »
The Royal Forums.

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Re: Pig's Meadows Grave Questions
« Reply #179 on: September 27, 2012, 03:36:59 PM »
There were many forums which are no longer up and running.  Mine, however, is still open:

http://agrbear.hyperboards.com/index.php

After the DNA results,  my forum lacks activity, but, that's okay.  I'll just keep it open because there is a lot of information from and by many good people, each with their own opinions,  I met here on this forum.

FA, as he has just posted,  was often frustrated by the many many questions I asked.  But,  I knew that those who believed Anna was Anastasia needed answers and I was willing to help them find the answers.  Greg King and Penny Wilson ended up writing a book about Anna, which I hope all of you have bought,  because when all was said and done,  Anna's life is an interesting story.  

Remember: This thread was created 27 Jan. 2007,  to answer questions that  didn't have answers at that time.

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« Last Edit: September 27, 2012, 03:39:24 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

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