Lieven family

[Marc]

Anything about von Lieven family?I know Charlotte von Lieven was governess of the children of Catharine the Great...Also know they had ambassador in London whose wife was famous Princess Dorothea von Lieven,born Countess von Benckendorff,and also know about Kramskoy portrait of Prince Lieven(don't know witch one)...Anybody knows anything interesting about this family,it's origines?Have some of their portraits?

[felix]

 Is  Dominic Lieven related to this family ?  I must be wrong. Just  a question.

[Marc]

Don't know...I was also searching the web about this family   But someone must know anything about this family  

[yusupovs_fan]

I think they are of Baltic German origin. The name seems really familiar from Estonian history lesson, but I can't remember at the moment in which context:). I'll try to check it later. They also owned some manor houses here in Estonia.

[felix]

Great, Thanks looking forward to any new info

[Marc]

Any pictures of members of Lieven family?

[Belochka]

Hi Marc,

If you can read Russian, although there are some English names, here is the genealogy of the Lieven (Liven) family:

http://www.vgd.ru/L/li.htm#%CB%E8%E5%EF%E0

Kristofor Andeyevich L. (1774-1838) was married to Dariya nee Benckendorff (1785-1857), who was Chief of the Third Section during Nikolai I's reign. Her husband represented Russia in Berlin and later in London as an ambassador.

Dariya wrote a set of books.

Both these have been translated into English.

The first is titled The Private letters of Princess Lieven to Prince Metternich 1820-1826

and the other is:

The Unpublished Diary and Political Sketches of Princess Lieven together with some of her letters


They may still be available at abe.com  

[Radoslaw]

Hello,
I am a new member of your forum. I have just find you looking in the internet for the information about princess Dorothea Lieven. If you are interested in her biography and political activity, here you are some of her published correspondence and diaries and some   books concerning her political biography as well:
Primary sources:
1. Bacourt A.M. de, Lettres de la Princesse de Lieven, “Le Corrrespondant”, religion-philosophie-politique-sciences-littérature-beaux-art, t. 172, Paris 1893 (3), nouvelle série – tome cent trente-sixième, s. 531-551.
2. Correspondence of Princess Lieven and Earl Grey, edited by Guy le Strangle, t.1, 1824-1830, t.2, 1830-1834, t. 3, 1834-1841, London 1890.
3. Geist und Herz verbündet. Metternichs Briefe an die Gräfin Lieven, Wien 1942.
4. Letters of Dorothea Princess Lieven, During Her Residence in London 1812-1834, edited by Lionel G. Robinson, London 1902.
5. Letters of Princess Lieven to Lady Holland 1847-1857, edited by E. A. Smith, Oxford 1956.
6. Lettres de François Guizot et de la Princesse de Lieven. Préface de Jaen Schlumberger. Édition annotée par Jacques Naville, t. 1, 1836-1839, t.2, 1840, Paris 1963, t. 3, 1841-1846, Paris 1964.
7. Lettres du Prince de Metternich à la comtesse de Lieven 1818-1819. Publiées avec une introduction, une conclusion et des notes par Jean Hanoteau, Paris 1909.
8. Selections from the Correspondence of the Earl of Aberdeen, vol. 3, Selections. Correspondence with Madame la Princesse de Lieven: 1832-44, edited by Arthur H. Gordon, Baron Stanmore, London 1857.
9. The Correspondence of Lord Aberdeen and Princess Lieven, edited by E. Jones Parry, t. 1, 1832-1848, London 1938; t. 2, 1848-1854, London 1939.
10. The Lieven - Palmerston Correspondence 1828-1856, edited by lord Sudley, b.m.w. 1940.
11. The Private Letters of Princess Lieven to Prince Metternich 1820-1826, edited by Peter Quennell, London 1937. [German version: Lieven-Quennell, P. (Hg), Vertrauliche Briefe der Fürstin Lieven. Bln. Steuben 1939,
12. The Unpublished Diary and Political Sketches of Princess Lieven together with some of her Letters. Edited with elucidations by Harold Temperley Reader in Modern History at the University of Cambridge, London 1925.

Secondary sources:
1. Александренко В. Н., Изь переписки княгини Ливень сь графомь Греемь, „Варшавскія Университетскія Известія” 1891, No 4, ss. 27.
2. Askenazy S., Pani Lieven, [w:] Wczasy historyczne, Warszawa 1902, s. 155-183.
3. Bingham M., Princess Lieven Russian Intriguer, London 1982.
4. Cadot M., La Russie dans la vie intellectuelle française 1839-1856, Paris 1967.
5. Daudet E., Une vie d’ambassadrice au siècle dernier. La princesse de Lieven, Paris 1903.
6. Dronsart M., La Princesse de Lieven et le Comte Grey, “Le Correspondant” religion-philosophie-politique-sciences-littérature-beaux-art, t. 159, nouvelle série – tome cent vingt-troisiéme, Paris 1890, s. 907-941.
7. Hyde H. M., Princess Lieven, London 1938.
Sneyd R.,  Notice of the Late Princess Lieven, „Miscellanies of the Philobiblon Society”, vol. XIII, London 1871-2.
8. Temperley H., Princess Lieven and the Protocol of 4 April 1826, “The English Hiostorical Review”, October 1924, vol. XXXIX, No 156, s. 55-78.
9. Zamoyska P., Arch Intriguer. A Biography of Dorothea de Lieven, London 1957.
10. Żurawski vel Grajewski R. P., Księżna Dorothea Lieven wobec polskich emigrantów, [w:] Niebem i sercem okryta. Studia historyczne dedykowane dr Jolancie Malinowskiej, pod red. M. Malinowskiego, Toruń 2002, s. 375-405.

Internet pages:
http://www.aei.ca/~anbou/lieven.html
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/lieven.html

That is my first mail on your forum. I am not familiar as regards the rules of it, still I hope you will receive my message.
All the best

[Radoslaw]

I am sorry about the first position as regards the secondary sources it seems like cipher.  :-[Still it was written in Cyrillic alphabet. I do not know what I shell do to make it readable for you.

[Belochka]

I am sorry about the first position as regards the secondary sources it seems like cipher.  :-[Still it was written in Cyrillic alphabet. I do not know what I shell do to make it readable for you.

Unfortunately this software program cannot distinguish Cyrillic script, which is a real disadvantage for a site which deals with Russian issues. :-/

[Marc]

As I undersyand,Lieven family are Baltic Germans!So can anyone tell me,is it correct to call them von Lieven or just Lieven without the prefix von,because they were settled in Russia?

[Radoslaw]

Of course the Lievens were the Baltic German family.
Princess Dorothea Lieven was born as baroness Dorothea Christoforowna von Benckendorff. In 1800 she married Prince Christopher Andriejevitsh von Lieven also of Baltic German family. In these case "von" indicates that they are noblmen families like "de" in French. It is not important were they live in Germany, in Russia or somewere else. Still using form von Lieven, von Benckendorff is very official. I know a lot of manuscripts of Princess Lieven letters written in original in English or French signed most often just Lieven.

[Marc]

So,that form(von Lieven) would be correct!Thank you so much!I have read that Rundale palace is given to the friend of Catharine the Great(I think Charlotte von Lieven)...Does anyone have her picture or eventually portrait?

[Radoslaw]

I know nothing about the portrait of Charlotte von Lieven. If you find some please let me know. Still I have just found that in August 2005 the book about Dorothy lieven is to be published. The information is under the address:
http://www.penguincatalogue.co.uk/lo/general/title.html?catalogueId=4&imprintId=23&titleId=655

[Radoslaw]

I will try to send to your forum the portraits of Princess Dorothea Lieven and her husband. Still I am not sure if I know haw to do that. Let me try:
 
 I doubt if it was succesfull