Lieven family

[maggy]

I would like to know more about prince Nicolas de Lieven
between 1860 and 1900 and his place Fockenhof. I know it was in Latvia.

[sofia]

Hi, I wondered if, as you're writing a book about the Lieven family,you would know anything about Vladimir von Lieven who disappeared after 1910 and before 1917.  
thank you very much

[Moydroog]

(Reason of joining this board: Russophile, diplomat and having just spent 3 years in Moscow) .I've just finnished a quite good biography on Dorothea Lieven (with a tittilating title that includes princesses, sex and diplomacy) and I realised I had on my bookshelves a book on Empire by a Dominic Lieven who talks in the foreword about his Grandfather or Great Uncle (difficult to be more precise as I left the books at home) of the 1st world war generation (including  fighting in the White Guards). Princess Dorothea is of the 1820 to 50's generation (She returns to S.Pete as his husband is recalled with the pretext of becoming a sort of High Tutor to the Tsar's children). What we need here is the missing generation link. As a blogger ( sorry for self-publicity but in case anybody is interested it's www.praiagrande.blogspot.com ) and about to write something on both Lievens (the diplomatic wife and the historian of Empire) I would be delighted to have a fuller picture on the family links.  Any help forthcoming?

[amelia]

Dear Moydrooq,

Welsome to the forum.  You will be bringing very interesting posts, since you have lived in Moscow for three years.

I would like to know if nowadays,tsarist history is taught in Russian schools.Are russians in general interested in the Romanovs?

Thank you
Amelia

[Peterconlan]

Can anyone please help me with information about Princess Sophia Lieven who was I believe imprisoned in Russia between the first and second world war. Her sister was Alexandra Lieven who was married to the Lord Mayor of London, Sir John Edward Kynaston Studd. Any further information would be hugely appreciated. Many thanks.

[Phil_tomaselli]

In 1918 MI5 opened a file on Prince Lieven.  It doesn't seem to have survived but is referred to in others that do.  Does anyone know to whom exactly this file applies?

Phil Tomaselli

[Prince_of_Tartu]

Hi Marc

I am a keen student of nobility myself and I am glad to share with you some information about illustrious Lieven family.
As alredy noted in this forum, the Lievens are believed to be descended from Livonian older or chieftain named Kaupo. It is known from sources that Gert Live was a vassal of Archbishop of Riga in 1269. A number of generations later family was divided into two main branches. Lüdeke Live´s two sons were founders of those separate lineages. Elder son´s name was Jürgen Live and his descendants went into Sweden eventually. They were given by the King of Sweden the title of freiherr (corresponds to Baron) in 1653 and Count in 1719. This branch is now extinct (Christian Vilhelm von Liewen who was the last male member of this family line died in 1917). Many Swedish generals sprang from this branch.
Another son of Lüdeke Live was Johann Live (died in 1501) who was founder of younger branch of the family. This branch split later in turn into minor branches (many of them are now extinct). The Russian Czars gave them the title of Count in 1799 and of Prince (Serene Highness) in 1826.
Joseph II, ruler of the Holy Roman Empire, made them Counts in 1789.
I hope that this information helps you. In future I want to put genealogical tables of Lieven family on display at my website www.zone.ee/princeoftartu.

[Radoslaw]

Hello everybody,
I have found new picture of dancing Princess Dorothy Lieven and Prince Piotr Borysowicz Kozlowski. Here you are

http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/lieven-b.jpg

By the way the book about Dorothea Lieven by me is to be printed by the end of this month. Is there anybody who can read Polish?  

[thomaspolk]

I notice that the pictures of which Radoslaw spoke were never posted to the forum.  Would someone be so kind as to post them:
Lieven 1815 a
Lieven 1856 a
Lieven i Kozlowski
Lieven 1856 c
Lieven na okladke
Lieven 1823 a
Lieven 1823
Lievendavid
Lievenpop 1824a
princess Lieven 1815 c
Lieven 1823b
Lievensr
Lieven1

I was in the midst of a project on the Princess and her fascinating magnetism for men of power.  Unfortunately the project was dropped although I may pick it up again and would love to see the portraits.

Thomas

[Radoslaw]

Hello Thomas,
I have no idea how to send these pictures to forum. If somebody knows please advise me what I shell do.
If you are interested in Princess Lieven and her relations with the Poles and Polish question and if you can read Polish   I inform you about the book about her:

http://www.dig.com.pl/

[thomaspolk]

Radoslaw:

Thank you so much for your response.  I AM interested in Princess Lieven's Polish exploits but unfortunately I do not know Polish:  an unfortunate handicap when one is interested in the great Polish aristocratic families as well.  Poland sent a great exhibit of Paintings from King Stanislav's time in an exhibition that stopped here in San Francisco.  The portraits were wonderful!  One of King Stanislav in state robes, another of a Czartorovski Prince, Adan, I think and several others.

Thomas

[Radoslaw]

That is great. It is kind to hear about the exhibition. Prince Adam Jerzy (George) Czartoryski was (as you probably know) at first a close friend of tsar Alexander I, and the foreign minister of the Russian Empire, than the prime minister of the Polish National Government during the November insurrection (1830-1831) against Russia, and than the head of one of the Polish political camp in exile "Hotel Lambert" - the main enemy of princess Dorothea Lieven.
Still the portrait you has written about is probably one of his father prince Adam Kazimierz Czartoryski - the general of Podolia woiwodship et the end of Polish-Lithuanian Commenwealth.

[winniepooh]

Livonia, nation : live, today extinct.

Lives were finno-ugric nation , very close to estonian, very similar language.

von Lieven are live origin, but baltic german today

[Marc]

[Marc]

I found this portrait with the name General G.I.Lieven!Can anyone tell me who was he?Full name etc?