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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2008, 12:16:56 AM »
From all I've read, it was quite easy to tell if Anastasia was upset. She was indeed very temperamental and had, like Olga, a hot temper. If you've read OTM or Alexei's diaries you can see that they didn't really put much feeling into their diaries. They were actually more like date books than diaries; therefore, if you wanted to know more about her point of view on things, just go read her letters. They're much more descriptive than her diaries would undoubtedly be and her way of writing really shows her personality and how she was different than Olga, Tatiana, and Maria.

Anastasia loved Rasputin just as much as her mother did. She called him her "precious, only friend". Nothing different or special in their relationship compared with her sisters.

I agree with you, Holly. The children's diaries don't express much, although I think Olga Nikolayevna sometimes put in a lot of her private feelings and emotions - like when talking about her mother, she would describe her as "angel" or "sweetheart", or describing one of the soldiers she nursed (Mitia) as "little golden one".

From reading Anastasia's letters to Rasputin, it seems that she truly did trust him, and enjoyed and looked forward to his visits.

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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2008, 12:41:29 AM »
Anastasia burned her diaries?  When?  Why?


Yes, Anastasia burned her diaries. It was probably at the same time that Alix was burning hers, which was when the family first became imprisoned after Nicholas's abdication in March 1917. Alix burned a lot of her correspondance and diaries on the advice of her friend Lili Dehn, who dreaded the idea that Alix's letters/diaries would fall into the hands and be read by revolutionaries. So probably the same advice was given to Alix's daughters.

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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2008, 04:39:56 AM »
Alix burned her diaries too ?.
But, I thought she was writing in it the last hours before the massacre.

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« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2008, 04:47:15 AM »
I'm sure I read that she burnt her diaries whilst in Tobolsk and it was the Empress who said this either in her diary or a letter?

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« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2008, 05:04:31 AM »
I didn't know about Alexandra's diaries. Beacause I often read that the last thing she wrote in it it was the time of going to bed before the murder.
But maybe, she destroyed some and wrote in a new diary.



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« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2008, 05:51:54 AM »
Anastasia burned diaries in 1918.
I have to add---very good upshot.
Well, writting diaries ,IMO, for IF were formality, something they though they have to did. And, they did. But no feelings in diaries, as Holly mentioned.
For example, begining od diaries: Today we all went outside, at 3.p.m. Just example.
But when OTMAA wrote letters to parents, its oftenly began as: My sweet, darling, beloved.... etc. Can you see the difference?
So, if you want to learn anything more about NAOTMAA, read the letters, deeply, and try to conside what they meant, what they had to feell in the moment.
For example, Empress, didn't enter all in her diary, especially in captivity, she wrote in 'passwords' (of course, due to many reasons), but when she wrote letters, it shows many more about she as person as. Same thing with Anastasia Nicholaievna.
Also, Rasputin's power to make Tsarevich's pains less made IF very thankfull.
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« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2008, 07:17:55 AM »
Thank you for correcting me, nena!! (about the burning of diaries.)
Yes, writing in diaries was pretty much what the IF had to do everyday. But their letters certainly did express much more emotion and feelings.

I didn't know about Alexandra's diaries. Beacause I often read that the last thing she wrote in it it was the time of going to bed before the murder.
But maybe, she destroyed some and wrote in a new diary.

Yep. When the IF had just been imprisoned in 1917, Alix began burning her diaries and a lot of her correspondance. Later on during their captivity, she began writing in a new diary of what she and her family did, and like nena said - she used codewords in case any one of the guards read it e.g. "Olga and I arranged our medicines." - "medicines" was the codeword for jewellery, which Alix and her daughters sewed inside their clothing.
You're correct Proud_Olga. Alix did make an entry in her diary on the night of the murder.

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« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2008, 07:24:25 AM »
Anastasia burned her diaries?  When?  Why?


According to Nicholas's diary, both Maria and Anastasia burned diaries when Commissar Yakovlev arrived in Tobolsk. This was even before Yakovlev announced the tsar's impending transfer to Ekaterinburg. However, Nicholas doesn't specify how many of their diaries the Little Pair burned. Three of Maria's dairies have survived and are held at GARF, but none of Anastasia's dairies are known to exist. They're all presumed lost or destroyed.

IMO, it's unlikely that the girls had ALL their diaries right there with them in the governor's house in Tobolsk. Quite a number of the family's possessions were stored in trunks and crates, including N&A's letters and diaries, so it seems logical to me that the girls' early diaries would have been similarly stored.


I didn't know about Alexandra's diaries. Beacause I often read that the last thing she wrote in it it was the time of going to bed before the murder.
But maybe, she destroyed some and wrote in a new diary.

I believe Alexandra only destroyed letters immediately following the abdication. Her 1917 and 1918 diaries have been reproduced, and I've also seen photos of her diary from 1894.
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« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2008, 07:33:02 AM »
Sorry for go topic off, but in that 1894 diary, Sarushka, Alexandra described her wedding day----something she wore white wedding-dress, what was strange for her(she wore black dresses), because she was depressive, cause many deaths in her family. Am I right?

Of course, come back to topic.  :)
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« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2008, 07:57:56 AM »
Sorry for go topic off, but in that 1894 diary, Sarushka, Alexandra described her wedding day----something she wore white wedding-dress, what was strange for her(she wore black dresses), because she was depressive, cause many deaths in her family. Am I right?

Of course, come back to topic.  :)

I don't think she wrote about that in her diary; I think she wrote about it in a letter to one of her sisters, saying, "One's feelings one can imagine ... One day in deepest mourning lamenting a beloved one, the next in smartest clothes being married. There cannot be a greater contrast, but it drew us more together, if possible ... Such was my entry into Russia ... Our marriage seemed to me a mere continuation of the masses for the dead with this difference, that now I wore a white dress instead of a black..."

Alix felt strange because only a week before her wedding there was Alexander III's funeral, in which you of course wear black for mourning. Because the wedding was put on a date so quick after the funeral, the IF were still in mourning and being the bride she had to wear white.

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According to Nicholas's diary, both Maria and Anastasia burned diaries when Commissar Yakovlev arrived in Tobolsk. This was even before Yakovlev announced the tsar's impending transfer to Ekaterinburg. However, Nicholas doesn't specify how many of their diaries the Little Pair burned. Three of Maria's dairies have survived and are held at GARF, but none of Anastasia's dairies are known to exist. They're all presumed lost or destroyed.

Thanks for clearing that up, Sarushka!! =]

I didn't know about Alexandra's diaries. Beacause I often read that the last thing she wrote in it it was the time of going to bed before the murder.

Proud_Olga, here's her last diary entry, in case you haven't read it full! :

Grey morning, later lovely sunshine. Baby has a slight cold. All went out 1/2 hour in the morning, Olga & I arranged out medicines. Tatiana read Spiritual reading. They went out, Tatiana stayed with me & we read Book of prophet Amos and prophet Audios. Tatted. Every morning the Komendant comes to our rooms, at last after a week brought eggs again for Baby.
8 Supper.
Suddenly Lenka Sednev was fetched to go & see his Uncle & flew off - wonder whether it's true & we shall see the boy back again!
Played bezique with N.
10 1/2 to bed. 15 degrees.
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« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2008, 01:29:34 PM »
Thank you Ferah, you're right, I haven't read her last diary entry full. And thanks for the new informations :)

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« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2008, 04:44:18 PM »
Alix felt strange because only a week before her wedding there was Alexander III's funeral, in which you of course wear black for mourning. Because the wedding was put on a date so quick after the funeral, the IF were still in mourning and being the bride she had to wear white.
Bingo Ferah! I meant that.
How interesting last diary enrty of Empress. I read it a long ago, of course
I can not find Nicholas' last entry. I read it, he mentioned his son, and something they hadn't news from outside. Someone have it?

Sorry for go topic off.
so, Did Grand Duchess Anastasia truly trust Grigori Rasputin?  ;)
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« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2008, 07:39:31 PM »
so, Did Grand Duchess Anastasia truly trust Grigori Rasputin?  ;)

Yes.
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« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2008, 09:59:28 PM »
Alix felt strange because only a week before her wedding there was Alexander III's funeral, in which you of course wear black for mourning. Because the wedding was put on a date so quick after the funeral, the IF were still in mourning and being the bride she had to wear white.
Bingo Ferah! I meant that.
How interesting last diary enrty of Empress. I read it a long ago, of course
I can not find Nicholas' last entry. I read it, he mentioned his son, and something they hadn't news from outside. Someone have it?

Sorry for go topic off.
so, Did Grand Duchess Anastasia truly trust Grigori Rasputin?  ;)

I will post it in a moment! : )

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« Reply #59 on: June 27, 2008, 12:36:04 AM »
Found it, nena!

30 June / 13 July
Alexei took his first bath since Tobolsk; his knee is getting better, but he still cannot straighten it completely. The weather is warm and pleasant. We have absolutely no news from the outside.

If you would like me to post more of Nicholas's or Alix's last diary entries, please tell me.