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Eric_Lowe

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #105 on: March 11, 2007, 08:35:13 PM »
No...Elisabetta got the emeralds fropm Georgie after Queen Olga left them for him in her will. Queen Sophie did not give her daughter-in-law any jewels. Queen Marie complained about Sophie's meanness to her daughter 'At least I gave her (Sophie's daughter Helen) daughter a tiara (The Greek Key bought from Ducky)".  :(

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #106 on: March 12, 2007, 03:16:03 PM »
Interesting.

I don't think Queen Sophie liked Queen Elisabeth much at all. Perhaps it had something to do with Elisabeth's failure to have a child and heir. That must have been quite disappointing.

And did Elisabeth even try to become pregnant? Or did she not want any children?

What is the Greek Key bought from Ducky tiara? Is it this one worn today by Princess Margarita of Romania:


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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #107 on: March 12, 2007, 08:09:24 PM »
Yes that is the one. Elisabetta also reset the emeralds to create the tiara today worn by Queen Anne Marie of Greece. it was made into two "E"s intertwind into the design. I think she either sold it or gave it to Princess Frederika, who married King Paul.  ???

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #108 on: March 12, 2007, 10:57:16 PM »
The emerald 'E for Elizabeth' tiara



On one of Ursula's jewel pages, she writes:

"Unfortunately one does not know what happened to this unusually large emerald and there are no photographs of Queen Olga wearing it. Prince Christopher remembered, however, that his mother, gave this marvelous stone to her oldest son Constantine for the celebrations of his silver wedding anniversary. In her will Queen Olga left (1926) a garniture of jewelry to each of her children: The rubies went to Prince Nicolas, the turquises went to Prince Christopher. The emeralds were left to King Constantine I. at the time he already had died(1923), his wife, Queen Sophie never owened this emeralds. Therefore they were given to his eldest son. King George II must have left the emeralds to King Paul....Queen Elizabeth later wore the jewels, as a headband with a central emerald and floral ornaments and as very long earrings in the art deco style. The next illustration shows the addition of further oval cabochons and floral ornaments rising from a base of round diamonds. After a further change, one can recognize the final form, as a kokoschnik frame composed of interlaced "E" for Elizabeth in diamond, and the large cabochons between them. Her sister, Marie of Yugoslavia, had a similar tiara, here can one clearly recognize it. Unfortunately I could not find a picture of Queen Elizabeth wearing the brooch. "

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-emeralds-1.htm

On another page, you can see Elizabeth in the tiara:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-emeralds-4.htm
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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #109 on: March 13, 2007, 02:13:37 AM »
The Greek Royal Family's Emeralds are so amazing - such large drops and so perfect.

It also says -

Queen Olga Konstantinovna
Along with her dolls, Queen Olga of Greece, born a Russian Grand Duchess, brought these wonderful emeralds from Russia as part of her dowry when she married into the Greek royal family at the age of 16. The second picture above shows her regally dressed and adorned with the splendid emeralds. One can easily recognize the large drops and the oval cabochon as a brooch on the dress and in the kokoschnik, as well as five round cabochons as part of the choker which were later turned into a brooch.

Her son prince Christopher later said : My mother possessed some perfect emeralds, including a cabochon as big as a bird's egg. When I was eighteen, I borrowed it to wear at a masked ball in Athens, to which I had been invited. The guests came in historical Polish costumes and the jewel was an important accessory. She gave me the stone, warning me several times to take great care of it. I had fastened it as brooch to my hat. The last notes of the mazurka played and I was talking with my friends, when my sister-in-law, Princess Nicolas came over to me and said: " The emerald on your hat is the largest I have ever seen. Can I look at it?" As soon as she took it from my hands, the stone came apart from its brooch setting and fell to the ground. Emeralds, unlike diamonds, are very fragile jewels and can shatter like glass. We stood stiff as stone as we watched the jewel roll on the carpet, toward the marble floor and feared the worst. Words cannot describe, how relieved I was, when I saw it stop its course, unharmed."

In the first picture, Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna 1830-1911, Olga's mother, wearing this magnificent emerald set.


Queen Elizabeth later wore the jewels, as a headband with a central emerald and floral ornaments and as very long earrings in the art deco style.

The next illustration shows the addition of further oval cabochons and floral ornaments rising from a base of round diamonds. After a further change, one can recognize the final form, as a kokoschnik frame composed of interlaced "E" for Elizabeth in diamond, and the large cabochons between them. Her sister, Marie of Yugoslavia, had a similar tiara, here can one clearly recognize it. Unfortunately I could not find a picture of Queen Elizabeth wearing the brooch.



I love how the emeralds can be worn in so many different ways. In the second link you can see all the different ways that Queen Anne Marie wears these amazing emeralds. For King Harald's recent birthday party Her Majesty wore the diamond necklace with three large drops hanging down, but sometimes a  brooch/stomacher with more large drops is worn as well.
I think there is seven large emerald drops altogether and at least nine other large circular ones. I'm glad the Greek Royal Family still have all of these emeralds.




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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2007, 02:27:14 AM »
Go to this link to see Queen Elizabeth's amazing ''Sapphire Sautoir",

an amazing sapphire and diamond necklace which I don't think the G. R. Family have any more.  :( Hopefully, someone can tell me otherwise, but I don't think I've seen Q. A.M. wearing it.

And there is some great pictures of Elisabeth as well.

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-sapphires-necklace.htm

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2007, 02:28:12 AM »
Royal Sapphires Cartier Sautoir
The name sapphire comes from the Greek word "sappheiros" for blue, above an art deco sautoir made by Cartier with 2 cabochons of blue sapphires, one eggshaped star-sapphire with 311 ct and the gem of 39,13 ct.

Princess Elisabeth of Romania ( 1894 -1956) was the Queen Consort of King George II of Greece. She was the daughter of King Ferdinand I of Romania and his wife, Queen Marie. On 27 February 1921, she married the future King George, then Crown Prince, in Bucharest, but the marriage was not a success and ended in divorce in 1935. As a wedding present she got this amazing sapphire necklace from her parents.

Queen Marie was able to assist those of her relatives who had lost fortune and power in Russia. She did so with great tact and diplomacy, and was indeed one of the few European sovereigns to demonstrate genuine solidarity with the deposed royal families.
Her younger sister, Victoria Melita, Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and now Grand Duchess Kirill, was among thos who benefited.

The wife of Grand Duke Kirill, eldest son of Grand Duchess Wladimir, her fortune was now limited to her jewelry. At that time the European market was inundated with precious stones from Germany, Russia and Austria and anyone whishin to sell their jewerlry rarely ottained a fair price. Grand Duchess Victoria Melita got this sautoir from her husband in 1911.


A few weeks later, Marie of Romania puchased another piece of her sister`s jewelry, this time a diamond tiara with Greek key motifs. It was intended für Princess Helen of Greece, who in spring 1921 wed her son, Crown Prince Carol of Romania.


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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #112 on: March 13, 2007, 02:31:24 AM »
CARTIER PEARL TIARA
A bandeau-style tiara, made by Cartier. Worn by Queen Marie of Romania. Later the tiara went to her daughter, Queen Elisabeth of Greece who wears it at the coronation of her parents as King and Queen of (the enlarged) Romania in 1922erlen | Pearls




Where is this tiara now, and what happened to Queen Marie's long pearl necklaces which went to the Greek Royal House as well?

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2007, 02:57:59 AM »
The pearl and diamond tiara was part of a cashe of jewels that was deposited to a bank in Russia. After the Russian revolution it was confescated by the Bolshevikes. The similar fate happened to VMH's jewels. Although her pearl tiara survived because she had already given it to her daughter Alice at the time of her marriage. She later lent it back to wear in certain occations. Great that the page had Elisabetta wearing the "E" emerald tiara and saphire satoir. I haven't seen a postcard of those two images anywhere and is desperate to get one for my own research.  :(

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #114 on: March 13, 2007, 07:54:53 AM »
What about the Sapphire Sautoir? Do you know where it is now?

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #115 on: March 13, 2007, 09:58:24 AM »
I had written this on another thread:

Missy purchased the sapphires because she had lost almost all her jewelry in Russia where it had, ironically, been sent for safekeeping in 1916. Post-war, despite repeated diplomatic demands, it all just disappeared. QM was devastated and wrote to a friend that her jewels had been part of her dowry and 'my father died in debt. These jewels were all I had'.

After WW1, due to QM's heroic behavior during WW1 and her popularity w/the Romania public, Nando gave her carte blanche to replenish her collection.

She also purchased a tiara of Miechen's composed of 5 large sapphires (QM had the central one replaced with an even larger one).  As for the famous sautoir (and that sapphire WAS 478 carats--unbelievable!) it was left to King Michael who eventually had to sell it in exile. She had purchased the long diamond sautoir with the huge sapphire for 3,375,000 francs (in 1920s money!  :o ). A purchase this large had to be cleared with KF and her made arrangements to pay for the sapphire in 4 annuities, the last being in 1924.

The tiara was left to Ileana who eventually sold it to an American jeweler.  I think the sautoir was worn by King Michael's wife Anne at their wedding. The sapphire had already been sold. The sapphire was eventually bought by a Greek billionaire in 1948 who later gave it to Queen Frederica of Greece. She had it mounted to a pendant which later became the centerpiece of a necklace. There's a photo of QF wearing the necklace  for her 25th wedding anniversary. The sapphire itself sold in 2003 for $1,494,480.

tiara and diamond & sapphire necklace:






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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #116 on: March 13, 2007, 10:07:39 AM »
Interesting.

I don't think Queen Sophie liked Queen Elisabeth much at all. Perhaps it had something to do with Elisabeth's failure to have a child and heir. That must have been quite disappointing.

And did Elisabeth even try to become pregnant? Or did she not want any children?


From earlier in the thread:


After two years of marriage and no children, Missy wrote to her daughter suggesting this but Elisabetta answered: "You say, if only I could have a child? Yes, Mama dear, I would like to have one but for the moment there are three obstacles. First of all, my nerves are not quite in the condition they ought to be... second, the situation combined with both our shaky nerves makes things very risky and in such conditions it would be unfair on the future life to give such a bad beginning. Thirdly there is the question of money. We can only just scrape through with what we have got."

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Elisabetha did suffer a miscarriage, however
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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #117 on: March 13, 2007, 10:28:44 AM »
Thanks GDE, but I am  :-\ under the impression that Elisabeth's sapphire sautoir is different from that single huge sapphire that used to be in the Greek Royal Family.  The picture of the sautoir showed it with a couple of sapphire circular stones, not a huge square sapphire.  :-\

Also, does anyone know if this miscarriage Elisabeth suffered occured far along in the pregnancy, so that it was a stillbirth type of occurence, or was it very early in the pregnancy? Was it a boy or girl?

Was she very upset by this?



See, here's a sliver of the picture. It is totally different to that other large sapphire. This one had more than one sapphire in it and they were round, not square.

I'm pretty sure that the Sapphire Sautoir Queens Marie and Frederika are shown wearing is different from Elisabeth's sapphire sautoir.



Look at the top of this picture slice above. You can see Queen Elisabeth wearing her sapphire sautoir. It is differet from the one you are talking about GDE, it is a different shape. What do you think?
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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #118 on: March 13, 2007, 10:43:47 AM »
I see what you're saying. I was thinking of the different sapphire sautoir. I didn't see the first post you made on it with the link to Ursula's page.

From the page showing Victoria Melita wearing it:

"When in 1921 Queen Marie of Romania, sister of Victoria Melita, was looking to compose her daughters wedding trousseaux, she bought that diamond sautoir from which a huge egg-shaped cabochon sapphire, weighing three hundred and eleven carats, was supended. This Cartier creation marked the wedding from Princess Elizabeth and Crown Prince Georg of Greece."

There's no information on what happened to it after Elizabeth got it though.

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Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
« Reply #119 on: March 13, 2007, 11:02:18 AM »
From an old web site (I don't think it's around anymore)

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