King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)

[TampaBay]

Yes, she was most certainly pregnant ...and Michael was hardly premature

Marlene,

I am not doubting you but where do you get these fabulous tidbits of Information.

From all I have read about Helen (Sitta) I find surprising.  What was the amount of time between the annoucement of their engagement and their marriage.

[Marlene]

Marlene,

I am not doubting you but where do you get these fabulous tidbits of Information.

From all I have read about Helen (Sitta) I find surprising.  What was the amount of time between the annoucement of their engagement and their marriage.

they became engaged in Switzerland, shortly after the death of her brother, Alexander, and they were married on March 10th.

Michael weighed 7lbs when he was born - it was a difficult pregnancy - and he was born on the first anniversary of King Alexander's death.  According to Paul Quinlan (and based on the diaries of Carol II's Secretary, Buhman, Helen was advised to not have another child.)  Quinlan writes that Helen was already 3 and 1/2 months pregnant in May 1921 - and they were married in late March.

No one in the family disputes that Helen pregnant when she married Carol. I can say this because I am friends with several of Michael's daughters, and we've talked about this.

[trentk80]

I read somewhere that Elisabeta was an acomplished musician and painter. Does anyone know more about this?

[kmerov]

A picture of the unhappy couple.

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...nobody started out being a bad person. George did loved her and she did try to be a wife to him in the begining. However the Greek Royal Family was not kind to her, they deliberately sproke Greek when they all meet up togather when Elisabetta was present.  Even Queen Marie of Romania complained that Queen Sophie was tight with her jewelry (Sitta recieved a lovely Greek Scroll tiara bought from the cash scrap Grand Duchess Kyrill. That piece is still in the family and worn by Princess Margarita, King Michael). "She didn't even let me see them (the jewels)." Elisabetha did recieved some emeralds (not from Sophie) when Queen Olga died and George as King legally inherited them. She used those to make a tiara (which she later sold to King Paul & Queen Frederica).

Yes there is indeed bad blood between Elisabetta & Sitta and once she even slapped her. However when King Michael was reinstated, Elisabetha had to eat humble pie and begged Helen for forgiveness, which the nice Queen Mother did. Although by that time nobody trust ed at that point.  

[grandduchessella]

No, no one starts out bad. Elisabeth was pretty much doomed by her childhood--caught in power struggles between her 'grandparents' who spoiled her and her parents who were struggling with their own places and positions. It reminds me a good deal of the Vicky/Willy/Charlotte situation in Germany.

By the time she became a teenage, it seems her character was pretty set. She didn't even try to hide it, proclaiming that she'd committed every sin except one--murder--and she wouldn't mind it before she died.

There's no doubting that the two were spectacularly mismatched. I don't blame Sophie for being tight with the jewels--she had little enough since the Greeks were pretty cash poor by royal standards--and I would've had grave doubts about passing anything on to Elisabeth given her doubts about the marriage. Plus Missy & Sophie were waay different in temperament and not bound to rub up well so I'm sure that marked her opinion of her.

[Eric_Lowe]

Yet...I think the Greek Royal family did not gave her a chance. A writer named John Wimbles wrote a series of artcles on the now deceased publication called "Royalty Digest" about Elisabetha, I found that well rounded and fair.

She had to take in a lot of crap, once she recieved her inheritance after her father's death. Elisabetha sort of went her own way.

[isabel]

"I have read that Elisabetha tried to adopt her butler or something like that, but it didnt work out.Don't think Favrat was the butler, but he was certainly often in a serving position.

The young french Marc Favrat was the son of a country town butcher, he was born in 1924. He was know in Paris because of his beauty and his interest in fine arts (he was painter).

He knew Princess Elisabeta during a dinner in Cannes , and she pretended to adopted him. Even, she pressed her cousin the Prince of Hohenzollern to recognize him as Prince.

After her death in 1956, Marc continued painting in Cannes, and he used the title sometimes of "Prince of Roumanie" and other times "Prince of Hohenzollern".

[Eric_Lowe]

Another "Royal favourite" of sorts... I guess

[QueenEna1887]

I know George and Elisabeth did not have children but this one picture I saw keeps me thinking otherwise. Onhttp://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs8/elisabethromania1894-4.jpg I saw a picture of Elisabeth holding a baby? Who was the baby in that photo?  

[Eric_Lowe]

Cannot open the file...But Elisabetha had never given birth, it must be a nephew or niece. Both her sisters, Mignon and Ileana had children.

[Marlene]

Cannot open the file...But Elisabetha had never given birth, it must be a nephew or niece. Both her sisters, Mignon and Ileana had children.

Elisabetha did suffer a miscarriage, however

[grandduchessella]

How sad.  

Do you know if she actually wanted to have children? She doesn't strike one as the most maternal but you never know. Perhaps having a child would've softened her somewhat?

[Eric_Lowe]

Perhaps her marriage to George can be saved if shr did have a child to nuture...

[Laura_]

God forbid!!!!!!!!!!!!if she had a child he wouldn't have been a happy one,that's for sure!!!!:(:(with such a cold mother:(:(Elisabeth was as cold as ice unfortunately for poor George
Laura