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« Reply #120 on: March 26, 2006, 07:55:55 AM »
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She married him when she was barely 16, right? :-?
I think her parents where seperated then, but why did her father allow her to marry this man with a quite (!) bad reputation?

Apparently both Philipp & Louise agreed to the match but this was not the case of everyone in the family. Dora's grandmother Queen Marie-Henriette of Belgium wrote to her daughter Stéphanie : "About Dora'sw wedding - a mere child to a man old enough to be her father, protestant, fanatic - I would rather not say a word".
Louise was in the middle of her love affair with Mattachich when Dora & Günther became engaged. Philipp Coburg feared that his wife's influence on their daughter might be bad &, together with his prospective son-in-law, imagined a stratagem to take Dora away from her. Mother & daughter were at the time staying in Nice. Günther asked Louise leave to go with Dora to Dresden to meet his mother, giving his word that Dora would be brought back to her later - which she was not.
Louise did not really care about her children when they were small but seems to have become more & more attached to Dora as she grew up. Her daughter's desertion was very painful to her.
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« Reply #121 on: March 26, 2006, 09:17:22 AM »
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All these pics come from Louise de Saxe-Coburg : an excellent bio of Dora's mother Louise by Olivier Defrance.

Is this biography of Louise available in English?

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #122 on: March 26, 2006, 10:28:03 AM »
I think her father don't cared much about Dora.

Her husband-to-be was the brother of the German Kaiserin Auguste Victoria,
so he was a good match for the Coburg Family.
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« Reply #123 on: March 26, 2006, 12:34:39 PM »
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Is this biography of Louise available in English?

Not that I know of but I may be wrong.

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« Reply #124 on: March 26, 2006, 04:49:23 PM »
Thanks, Agneschen.  It is just so hard to get biographies of some of the lesser known royals here in the U.S.   :-/

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« Reply #125 on: March 26, 2006, 04:52:01 PM »
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He was included in a lot of scandals and through this he had a bad reputation. Dora´s father must have known this, but allowed him anyway to marry his only daughter - that´s weird. :P

What were the scandals he was involved in?

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« Reply #126 on: March 26, 2006, 08:21:31 PM »
Well...He is the brother of the Kaiserin Augusta Victoria ! A connection Philip Coburg thinks its useful...

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #127 on: March 26, 2006, 09:30:27 PM »
the wedding



In the front row you can see (among others) Marie Coburg, the bride, Marie Louise of Bulgaria, Missy & Ducky. In the back: Ferdinand of Bulgaria, Philip Coburg, groom, Alfred Coburg, Sandra, Ernie, Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (SIL of QV and uncle of groom), Duke Alfred. The well-known photo of Marie Coburg and her 3 eldest daughters in a carriage is from this wedding.
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« Reply #128 on: March 27, 2006, 02:31:32 AM »
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He was included in a lot of scandals and through this he had a bad reputation. Dora´s father must have known this, but allowed him anyway to marry his only daughter - that´s weird. :P

What were the scandals he was involved in?

In the beginning of Wilhelm II´s rule, there was a scandal about "sex letters" sent to various members of the German aristocracy and it was said that Ernst Günther was the author (according to John Röhl, Wilhelm´s biographer).
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« Reply #129 on: March 27, 2006, 06:03:38 AM »
John Rohl's books on Wilhelm are a must have... ;D

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« Reply #130 on: March 27, 2006, 10:40:34 AM »
Are Rohl's books worth the price--about $200 for the English versions? It better be a really special book to pry that out of me. The German versions are relatively inexpensive.
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« Reply #131 on: March 27, 2006, 11:43:15 AM »
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Are Rohl's books worth the price--about $200 for the English versions? It better be a really special book to pry that out of me. The German versions are relatively inexpensive.

Röhl´s books on Wilhelm are indeed very good, but extremly politically.
There are actually two "main" books: One focuses on Wilhelm´s youth (1859-1888) and one about his "personal" monarchy (1888-1900), and both have ca. 1000 pages...

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #132 on: March 27, 2006, 08:11:58 PM »
Thanks for the info. I'd probably be most interested in the first one as I love to read about formative years. There seems to be a lot about family & personal relationships based on quotes.

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« Reply #133 on: March 28, 2006, 12:57:19 AM »
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Thanks for the info. I'd probably be most interested in the first one as I love to read about formative years. There seems to be a lot about family & personal relationships based on quotes.

I also prefered the first one - it e.g. explaines why Princess Viktoria of Prussia was nicknamed "Moretta". ;)

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« Reply #134 on: March 28, 2006, 06:28:57 AM »
The second ones go through his sisters again !  ;D