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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #135 on: March 28, 2006, 09:38:20 AM »
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All these pics come from Louise de Saxe-Coburg : an excellent bio of Dora's mother Louise by Olivier Defrance.

Is this biography of Louise available in English?


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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #136 on: April 19, 2006, 03:33:37 AM »
On this website http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Saxe_Coburg_Royal_Family.htm I found the information that Dorothée was also nicknamed "Dolly". Is anybody able to confirm that?
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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #137 on: April 28, 2006, 06:28:15 PM »
My source regarding the nickname "Dolly" was The Private Life of Two Emperors - William II of Germany and Francis-Joseph of Austria published by Eveleigh Nash in 1904 (Anonymous author) - Page 68.

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On this website http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Saxe_Coburg_Royal_Family.htm I found the information that Dorothée was also nicknamed "Dolly". Is anybody able to confirm that?

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2006, 07:37:59 AM »
This information was new to me. Thanks for mentioning the source, Allan.
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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2007, 05:40:13 PM »
hi

Does some one knows more about the Coburg-Kohary branche in Hungary itself (other than the Portugal and Bulgaria line of the Kohary's). Who were they, were they part of the Hungarian elite and where did they live. I heard about an Edeleny castle/ mansion in Hungary of the Coburgs. Was this of the Kohary branche. And did Ferdinand of Bulgaria stay on the castles of the Kohary's after his abdication?

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #140 on: June 17, 2007, 02:01:26 PM »
I found out that one of the castles owned by the Kohary's was the Antol mansion in what is now Slovakia. I found one website about it: http://www.zamky.sk/event/2007/04/07/month?q=node/3&mon=6021209 However mine Slovakian can use some practice. Does some one has more information about this castle?

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« Reply #141 on: June 18, 2007, 03:01:41 PM »
I found a very interesting piece about the Antol castle in the English language:

http://www.slovakheritage.org/Castles/st_anton.htm

SVATY ANTON

St. ANTON MANOR HOUSE

A country estate of the Bugarian Czar

I wanted to visit Antol Manor house for many years, as it is written about in many books and tourist brochures as the Hunters museum. As I was going through the village of St. Anton I thought that Antol must be near-by. Passing through the village's historical part on the left side hill was the manor house. They have recently changed their name from Antol to St. Anton as it was called originally many years ago. I have soon discovered that the real triumph of this manor house isn't the hunter's museum at all, but the fact that it was one of the residences of Bulgarian Czar Ferdinand Coburg, the founder of the Bulgarian ruling dynasty.

The village of St. Anton is first mentioned in 1266. St. Anton manor house was built at the end of the 16th century on the site of a small castle due to the Turkish invasions, under the supervision of an Italian master builder Giullio Ferrari. The documents show the manor house only with two wings still in the last decade of the 17th century. Two more wings were added during expansion in years of 1744-1750 to gain the square shape. There is a legend about the manor house having a "year" symbolism in certain features: 4 wings symbolizing 4 seasons, 12 chimneys as 12 months, 52 rooms as 52 weeks, 7 arcades as 7 days in the week and 365 windows as 365 days in the year. Partial reconstruction during the 19th century altered the symbolism and only some details remain. Kohary's family of noblemen owned the manor house in the 17th century. Stefan Kohary II became famous in the defense of Filakovsky castle where he was captured in 1682. He became hereditary count of Hontianska County and gradually became secret adviser to the Emperor Karol III in 1712; counties judge in 1714 and from 1723 a member of the Governor’s Council, the supreme officer of the Hungarian State. In 1732 Andrew Kohary, Stefan’s nephew, was the Main Count of the Hont County. He belonged to the new wave of the Hungarian army aristocracy, faithful to Habsburghs (Habsburghs were a Royal Family), that gained its wealth during the anti Turkish fights. After Andrews’s death in 1757 the manor house became property of his three sons: Mikulas, Ignac and Jan. During their ownership there were no major renovations at the manor house. Ignace's son Frantisek Jozef was the last male survivor of the Kohary family. He made some interior renovations in 18th century and with his death the Kohary's ownership of the castle, as they died out by the sword, transferred to the family Coburg in 1829. Ferdinand Coburg, became the founder of the Bulgarian ruling dynasty of the Coburgs in 1887. He reigned until 1918, since 1908 as the Bulgarian Czar. After the WWI he had to flee Bulgaria and stayed in Coburg, Vienna, in Slovakia-St. Anton and Predna Hora. He was also frequent visitor to the spa at Sliac near Zvolen. He loved music. Last time he stayed in Slovakia was in 1944. In the fall of that year he left for his family seat in Coburg, Austria where he died in 1948. His grandson Simeon is still alive and lives in Madrid, Spain. My personal guide lecturer was a young girl Miroslava Ratkayova from Banska Stiavnica. Her lecturing was excellent, as she was able to answer all of my questions. She knows her stuff very well and at least this way I would like to thank her. While transferring from one part of the publicly accessible part of the manor house to another I noticed on one wall original pictures from building the Statute of Liberty in France before casting and then the casted parts and the erection of the statute in New York. I am sure this must be one of their unknown treasures. Continuing further with the viewing of the manor house representative rooms we entered the Golden Salon, by far the nicest salon on the manor house, just incredible. All walls and ceiling are hand painted. The furniture is from the period of classicism in the style of Louis XVI. The furniture was produced in France in the last third of 18th century. It is carved of lime-wood, gilded with 24-carat gold. The furniture pieces are covered with original embroideries made in the manufacture of Philip de la Salle in Lyon, supplier of luxurious textiles to the French royal court. The salon was the wedding gift of Maria Theresia to her daughter Maria Antoinette who married Louis XVI on January 21, 1793. Maria Antoinette was guillotined on Oct. 16, 1793. Soon we entered Chapel dedicated to the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. Banska Stiavnica's painter A. Schmidt richly decorated it with original frescoes in 1748-1752. They represent the Allegory of the Old and New Testament, the Allegory of the Church and Angels-musicians. Continuing to the main floor I saw a display of hunter’s instruments and many stuffed animals, some of them now extinct in Slovakia. I would strongly recommend that if you are in Slovakia you put the Manor house at St. Anton on your list. Please note that all museums in Slovakia are closed on Mondays. Keep Monday for visiting your relatives or shopping.




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« Reply #142 on: June 18, 2007, 05:36:50 PM »
Thanks for those details about SVATY ANTON, which sounds absolutely fascinating. I was interested in the details about the "year" symbolism. I have never been to Slovakia (although one of my best friends is originally from Bratislava), but this has made me want to visit Slovakis SOON.

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #143 on: June 24, 2007, 11:50:18 AM »
This was a hunting lodge used by the Coburgs, part of the huge inheritance that came from Princess Antonia von Kohary.

After the death of Prince August in 1881, Antal went to his eldest son, Prince Philipp. After his death in 1921 without direct male heirs, what remained of the fortune was divided between his daughter Dorothea and her uncle Ferdinand of Bulgaria and the children of Ferdinand and Philipp's brother, August (1845-1907).  Very few of the once extensive properties of the Kohary inheritance remain in Coburg hands as the bulk of the fortune was in Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic, and of course were taken by the blessed Communists after 1945.

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #144 on: June 29, 2007, 07:31:46 PM »
Hi Bernardino

This is what I know only:

Prince Rainer (1900-1945) was murdered on 7 Jan 1945, in Budapest (tomorrow will be the 61st years after his death!  :o)

His mother Pss Carolina was murdered on 12 May 1945, at Budapest by the Soviet Army.

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http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00014648&tree=LEO
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023750&tree=LEO



Archduchess Karoline of Austria-Tuscany, Princess August Leopold of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha, die dof natural causes soon after the end of the Second World War.

Her son, Prince Rainer, did succumb to assassination by Communist partisans.

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #145 on: July 28, 2007, 10:24:15 AM »
I am wondering if anyone would have some information about Princess Clothilde of Saxe-Coburg-Kohary, daughter of Augustus and Clementine d'Orléans. I only know that Clotilde  married Archiduke Joseph of Habsburg Palatin of Hungary and that they had a large descendance, but nothing more. A book is going to be published in a few days about Princess Clementine d'Orléans, maybe some one on this site was associated in this work and already knows whether this new book shall contain information about Clotilde of Saxe Coburg Kohary ? Thanks for your help.

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« Reply #146 on: July 30, 2007, 07:39:22 AM »
From what I found with a search with google, the book's tittle is " LA MEDICIS DES COBOURG, Clémentine d'Orléans " by Olivier Defrance who already wrote two books about the Cobourgs from Belgium. The book will be available on august 21th 2007. Did any senior member from this forum contributed to the writting of this new book ? Does anybody know if any previous book about the Cobourgs contain information about Clotilde de Saxe-Coburg-Kohary ? Thanks for helping.

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #147 on: July 30, 2007, 09:34:58 AM »
There's a thread on Clothilde & her husband:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,4173.0.html

Using the search feature might bring up more information--I did a quick basic one.
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« Reply #148 on: July 31, 2007, 07:40:48 PM »
Wonder how much the book will cost ? Can we get it on Amazon ?  ???

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« Reply #149 on: August 01, 2007, 06:38:54 AM »
If you type www.racine.be in google.fr, you shall find the web site of the editor and this particular book in LIVRES A PARAITRE. Apparently it will cost 29,90 Euros ( public price ) and one can order it on line and also find it in bookshops when it is published in a few weeks. I have no idea what the book will be like, but from the author's biography one can tell he studied History in one of the best belgian universities. I red no other book from him before either !