The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary

[Marc]

No problem

[beladona]

Wikipedia has a portrait of Antoinette Kohary, wife of Ferdinand Sachsen-Coburg!!


I know, sometimes wikipedia is not best source, but it´s for the first time I saw her portrait. Do you think it´s a right one?

[Eurohistory]

Whoever posted this image at wikipedia, very likely took it from a Coburg exhibition catalogue from a few years ago. It is indeed Antonia Kohary.

Wikipedia can be tricky. I maintain about 600 articles, all royal, and have to constantly check and take out idiotic information unknown people add to them.

Arturo Beéche

[Eric_Lowe]

Indeed. That was the only image I saw of her. I wonder if more portait of her exists.

[Eurohistory]

A descendant of hers in Vienna, whom I visit every so often, has more portraits and photos of Princess Antonia. This is not the only one in existence.

Arturo Beéche

[Eric_Lowe]

Too bad. I think this is the only one that was published.

[YaBB_Jose]

In her blog Royal Musings, Marlene reports then death of Pr. Johannes-Heinrich of Sx.Coburg-Gotha (1931-2010).

He was first married to pss. Gabriele of Furstenberg and 2ndlyto pss Mathilde of Saxony.

From his 1st marriage he had a daughter, Pss Felicitas, married to Sergei Trotsky; from 2nd marriage, a son, Pr.Johannes-Albrecht, who had been appointed as successor by his uncle the Margkraf of Meissen, but sadly died on a mountain accident in 1987.

Can someone post photos of Pr. Johannes Heinrich, his wives and children ?

Thanks in advance.

[YaBB_Jose]

Still no pics of the family ? :-(

[Marc]

In her blog Royal Musings, Marlene reports then death of Pr. Johannes-Heinrich of Sx.Coburg-Gotha (1931-2010).

He was first married to pss. Gabriele of Furstenberg and 2ndlyto pss Mathilde of Saxony.

From his 1st marriage he had a daughter, Pss Felicitas, married to Sergei Trotsky; from 2nd marriage, a son, Pr.Johannes-Albrecht, who had been appointed as successor by his uncle the Margkraf of Meissen, but sadly died on a mountain accident in 1987.

Can someone post photos of Pr. Johannes Heinrich, his wives and children ?

Thanks in advance.

He was married to Gabrielle,Freiin von Fürstenberg...Princely and Baronial family zu Fürstenberg are not related in male line!

[YaBB_Jose]

Thanks, I know that.

I just wanted to see photos from the family.

[Danjel]

Two pictures of Johannes Heinrich




one with his 2nd wife


and one with his 2nd wife and their son (who died at a young age) (Picture thanks to Mardam www.royaltyguide.nl)


his daughter Felicitas with her mother Gabriele


and the wedding of Felicitas

[HerrKaiser]

another of the few who were around when the real royal famillies were of high social, political, and economic status. RIP and the few remaining are museums in real life.

[Eugenio]

Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Kohary line) lost his rights to the "majorat" that encompassed the Kohary inheritance upon marrying Maria II of Portugal. This "majorat" included the entailed properties of the Kohary family and is was destined to remain undivided and to go to the "head" of the SCG (Kohary line) family. This was done to avoid the constant division of the entailment generation after generation...what they could never think of was that it was to be undone by the bloody communists after 1945.

On the death of Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha in 1851, the "majorat" was inherited by his son Prince August (1818-1881), the next brother of Ferdinand of Portugal. 

When August died the "majorat" was inherited by his eldest son Prince Philipp (1844-1921). Philipp's only son, Leopold (1878-1916) died before his father. Upoin Philipp's death in 1921 an argument ensued between his brother Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his nephew August Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha over the control of the "majorat" as Ferdinand wanted more properties to come under his control. Auust Leopold died the following year, leaving three sons: Rainer, Philipp and Ernst – and there was also Dorothea of Schleswig-Holstein, daughter and only surviving heiress of Philipp. Eventually a settlement was reached, but for the most part, the "bulk" of the Hungarian and Slovakian properties were left in the hands of Prince Rainer (1900-1945). Prince Philipp (1901-1985) and Prince Ersnt (1907-1978), Rainer's brothers, received Austrian properties. Philipp inherited the massive Coburg Palais in Vienna and the lands and castle of Walterskirchen, which his son Phillipp Jr. continues to own. Ersnt inherited the lands in Schladming (with schütsen schloß) and Gröbming (with a hunting villa). Lands and Castle Ebenthal were shared by all and what is left of that today Prince Philipp Jr farms and divides proceeds among several of the cousins.

Arturo Beéche

This quite old post is so interesting! Are there photos of the castles in Walterskirchen, Schladming, Grobming, Ebenthal, Gerasdrof?
Did prince Ludwig, son of August, also received a share of his cousin Philipp inheritance? Was he a part in the dispute with August Leopold and Ferdinand of Bulgaria?

[Naslednik Norvezhskiy]

I was surprised when I found out that Antonia Koháry had some royal ancestry: She was descended from King Christian IV of Denmark, who was her maternal 4x great grandfather, through his morganatic daughter Leonora Christine, Countess of Slesvig, of imprisoned literary fame and her husband Corfitz Ulfeldt of treacherous infamy!

[Kalafrana]

Going back to an early post, the Coburgs suddenly burst onto the European 'royal scene' in the one generation when Leopold married Princess Charlotte and later became King of the Belgians, Victoire married Edward Duke of Kent, and the Kohary marriage took place. Apart from the Kohary money, is there any reason why the Coburgs suddenly became marriageable?

Ann