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elisa_1872

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2004, 08:41:07 AM »
Joanna!

Thanks so much for the infos, about the vows!:)
What a treasure to go through those priceless albums!!!
Wouldn't it be great if there were documents, etc, at New York. When interviewed, Sergei said that some of his sister's things were at Yale.. but i wonder whether he preserved any family documents? So many great paths for research! :)
Oh, and for reference, the quote on Anna's death+ i found, was taken from the book "The Last Tsar" by Edvard Radzinsky.
You will really enjoy the Massie book so much, as there is accompanying text with the pictures, which are just so incredible! The prologue mentions Sergei Taneeyev.
Happy reading Joanna!!
Elisa :)

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2004, 11:55:09 AM »
Joanna,

As promised ;), this is the link between Anna and the Pistolkors :

Alexandre Sergeievitch Taneieff (1850-1918 ) married Nadejda Illarionovna Tolstoïeva (1860-1937). Three children :
1. Anna Alexandrovna (1884-1964). Married Alexander Vassilievitch Wyrouboff (?-1919).
2. Sergei Alexandrovitch (1886-1975)
3. Alexandra Alexandrovna (1888-1968 ). Married Alexander Ericovitch von Pistolkors (see below).

Eric Avgustinovitch von Pistolkors (1853-1935) married in 1884 Olga Valerianovna Karnovitch (1865-1929) (after their divorce, Olga will marry Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovitch of Russia). Three children :
1.  Alexander Ericovitch von Pistolkors (1885-1944). Married Alexandra Alexandrovna Taneieva (see above).
2. Olga (1888-1963)
3. Marianna (1890-1976)

Sources :

T. Boettger, La descendance d'Alexandre Andreievitch 1er Prince Bariatinski, vol. 3, Seattle, 1996.
J. Ferrand, Le Grand Duc Paul Alexandrovitch de Russie, Paris, 1993.
J. Ferrand, Noblesse russe : portraits, vol. 3, Paris, 1987.

Have a nice day !

Johnny

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2004, 01:40:46 PM »
ALexander Taneyev's compositoins should be quite easy to find. He is one of the better known Russian composers of the late 19th early 20th century. I am surprised how he found the time to actually compose. He is a great composer.
By the way, does anyone know in which language Anna originally wrote or published her first set of memoirs?
Also, if anyone knows the original language Lili Dehn wrote her little book in?

elisa_1872

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2004, 03:49:44 PM »
Joanna thanks for posting those great links!! :)
I wondered, for more information about the father of Anna's brother in law, have you read the memoirs of the Princess Paley? I haven't, but perhaps they might detail some informations!! I can find the full title of the book for you in case! :)


PS) Many thanks Thierry for posting the great information!

Elisa

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2004, 12:15:55 PM »
Joanna,
I was looking through a volume of poetry written by the poetess Anna Akhmatova, of when she was living in Tsarskoe Selo, and she mentions "The Tsarina's best friend", the footnote says she was referring to Anna Vyrubova, and her cottage in the grounds!
Interesting!!:)

Elisa

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2004, 12:24:19 AM »
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Does any one know anything about Anna Vyrubova's family?  Were they able to leave Russia after the revolution?  Are her childhood homes still standing, etc.?


Joanna,

Apart from a blood connection there was another indirect connection between the Taneyevs and the Tolstoys.
Sonya Tolstaya, Lev Tolstoy's wife, became quite infatuated with Sergei Taneyev and carried on a flirtation with the composer over a period of many years. Taneyev's music and companionship helped Sonya Tolstoy recover from the death of her youngest son Ivan. He was on several occasions a guest at Yasnaya Polyana. Their friendship was purely platonic but it infuriated Tolstoy and also seems to have upset her children. Tolstoy at this point in his life thoroughly disapproved of music and all other "frivolous" forms of entertainment.

As for the blood relationship between Nadezhda Taneyeva and Tolstoy I managed to trace her line back to the early 16th century and still I was unable to find their common ancestor. I'm sure they must share a common Tolstoy ancestor if you go back far enough.

What sort of information about Anna's family are you looking for? I'd be happy to send you more information about her ancestors if you are interested.

PS: Anna had not one but two brothers; Sergei b. 1886 d. New York 1975 (he married a Georgian, Princess T. I. Dzhordzhadze) and Evgeny b. 1888 d. 1888

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2004, 09:58:27 PM »
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Many many thanks Nadya! I adore any information on Anna V. and her family.

I never knew that there was a fourth child. Do you know if Sergei had any children? Was his wife Princess Dzhordzhadze the woman with Sergei in the Yale albums? Do you know when and how he and Anna's sister left Russia? We know from Yale that it was Sergei who suggested to R. Brewster to visit Anna. I am curious if Sergei left any documents or photos and where they may be.

Joanna


Most of the information I have about Anna relates to her genealogy. I don't know what became of Sergei after his family fled Russian. However, I'd be happy to see if I can find some more information for you.

Are you looking for stories relating simply to Anna's immediate family or to her cousins and ancestors as well?

Nadya

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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2004, 11:59:20 PM »
I can answer one of your questions. Yale/Beinecke descibes the picture you mentioned as "Anna's father with his daughter-in-law and granddaughters." Since he had only one daughter-in-law the woman in the picture must be Sergei's wife. So Sergei and Tinatina (this is how her name was spelled at the following website http://www.vgd.ru/index.html ) must have had at least two daughters.

p. 59

1. Anna's father with his daughter-in-law and granddaughters
2. The little girls (Anna's nieces) with their mother
3. General Taneev (Anna's father) with granddaughters and
daughter-in-law
4. Nini Voiekov (wife of General Voiekov)
5. Alexandra reading on her chaise in the mauve boudoir

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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2004, 05:32:21 PM »
Joanna,

While putting together Anna's family tree I was surprised to discover that she was a descendant of Count Ivan Pavlovich Kutaisov (1759-1834). The Count was a controversial figure greatly despised during his life. He was accused of being a negative influence on Tsar Paul I. He was an unlikely aristocrat. Born in Turkey he was captured during the Russo-Turkish War while still in his early teens,  taken to Russia, and presented as a gift to the future Tzar Paul I by Catherine II. He converted and was christened Ivan Pavlovich Kutaisov. A marriage was arranged between Ivan and a wealthy merchant's daughter Anna Rezvaya. The couple had several children including Anna Vyrubova's ancestor Countess Nadezhda Ivanovna Kutaisov, the Privy Councilor Count Paul Ivanovich Kutaisov, and the General Count Alexander Ivanovich Kutaisov. Initially Ivan was merely Paul's barber, however, Paul became deeply attached to Kutaisov and his influence grew accordingly. He was appointed Master of the Horse, made a Baron, and after Catherine II's death a Count. He was despised by the aristocracy who deeply resented the fact that an uneducated barber was acting as the Tsar's advisor. Kutaisov was accused of manipulating the Tsar for his own material gain. Just how greatly he manipulated Paul and was himself manipulated by others at court is hard to tell. He was certainly involved in several Court intrigues aligning himself with Procurator-General Obolianinov, Feodor Rostopchin and Alexei Arakcheev against the Empress Maria Feodorovna and the Tsar's mistress Ekaterina Nelidova. The Empress' doctor forbid her to have anymore children after the birth of Grand Duke Michael insisting that further pregnancies would endanger her life. It was widely believed that Kutaisov had bribed the doctor in order to alienate Paul from Maria Feodorovna. In any case Kutaisov quickly took advantage of the situation encouraging an affair between the middle-aged Tsar and sixteen year old Anna Lopukhina. Nelidova was tossed aside for Anna who entered into a marriage of convience at Paul's behest with the courtier Prince Gagarin. Anna was later given an apartment in the Mikhailovsky Palace above Paul's own. Kutaisov's influence at Court disappeared after Paul's murder. According to the memoirs of the French artist Elisabeth Vigee-Lebrun, Kutaisov received advanced notice of the murder plot but failed to act: "To crown all, Kutaisoff, his faithful valet, the very day the murder was committed received a letter revealing the conspiracy; but this man had for some time been neglecting most of his duties, and did not open his letters punctually. Kutaisoff left the letter disclosing the conspiracy on the table. On opening the missive next day the unhappy man fell into such a desperate state that he nearly died of it."

Ivan's son General Count Alexander Kutaisov (1784-1812) was a war hero and is mentioned in Tolstoy's epic novel "War and Peace." He served with tremendous skill and bravery in the Napoleonic Wars becoming a General at the age of twenty-two. He was killed at the Battle of Borodino. The night before his final battle Alexander gave his men the following order:  "Artillery must sacrifice itself; let the enemy capture you with cannons, but fire a last canister-shot pointblank."

ADC Count Konstantine Pavlovich Kutaisov who the Tsar had accompany the Grand Duke Dimitri into his Persian exile was another of Ivan's descendants. He returned to Russia after the February Revolution and was murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918 at the Rehbinder estate Chebekino in Kharkov.

Line of descent:
Count Ivan P. Kutaisov m. Anna P. Rezvaya
Countess Nadezhda I. Kutaisov m Prince Alexander F. Golitsyn
Princess Alexandra A. Golitsyna m. Count Illarion N. Tolstoy
Countess Nadezhda I. Tolstaya m. Alexander S. Taneyev
Anna A. Taneyev n. Alexander Vyrubov

Link to a picture and biography of Count Alexander Kutaisov:
http://www.vor.ru/Events/1812_29.html

Link to a picture and biography of Anna Lopukhina:
http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rossika/voille3.html

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2004, 11:11:42 AM »
Finally today I am back and my computer is is repaired - I was without one for over a week - what a mess!  In the end we had to completely replace my hard drives and I lost some things...

It turned out a hard drive had a virus and the only way to clean it off was to not just erase it but actually overwrite the whole thing with 00s - now the virus is gone.  I was crashing all the time because of it.

That picture of Anna is great, isn't it.

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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2004, 11:56:44 AM »
Yeah that you are back, and boo for virus's.

Thanks for the pic of Anna.

Louise

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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2004, 12:29:57 PM »
Sorry for all of the frustrating difficulties...so glad that you are back.

Sunny

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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2004, 04:03:21 PM »
I am totally confused. Is it Gregory now or Georgy?

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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2004, 05:18:13 PM »
Dont feel bad, Im still trying to figure out how Ephram is Gregory from this explanation myself.... ???

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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2004, 02:59:28 PM »
Joanna! :-)

I wondered, if you have in your copy of Anna V's book, the picture of a letter sent to Anna by Alexandra, written on birchbark. It would be thrilling to translate it, as im not sure there is a translation in the book!
There are different pictures in some editions, and i wondered whether you had one that showed this fascinating letter. :)