Queen Louise & King Christian IX

[Eurohistory]

I think QV's attitude toward the Hesse-Kassel's or what she called the "Rumpenheim Set" had more to do with Prince Albert's remarks about Queen Louise's mother & her mother's sister's (?) being of scandalous behaviour, and of course I am sure there were anti-Prussian feelings involved.

I have often felt that QV was very unjust to Queen Louise, who was industrious, raised her children well, and lived her life scandal free.  While nothing could be said against Queen Louise, her relatives were looked down upon, and in fact I believe she was somewhat cool to the Denmarks (CIX & QL) on some occasions.

And perhaps a certain degree of jealousy from Queen Victoria at not having such a tight family unit around her as Louise Hesse-kassel had.  I always have considered QV to have been a piece of work.

Arturo Beéche

[PrinceEddy1864]

I do remember reading somewere that Nicky or possibly Sacha (it could have even been Nixa, Dagmar's first fiancee) had a problem with Louise. Does any one know which one had the problem and what were the details of it. By problem I mean I think she sort of rubbed them the wrong way. I believe I read this in the N&A cataloge. Any clue?  

[Duchess_of_Fenwick]

Michael G Wrote: "I have often felt that QV was very unjust to Queen Louise, who was industrious, raised her children well, and lived her life scandal free.  While nothing could be said against Queen Louise, her relatives were looked down upon, and in fact I believe she was somewhat cool to the Denmarks (CIX & QL) on some occasions."

Yes, I believe that was certainly true. I always thought that the it was strange the way Alix was introduced to the Queen and the period of time she spent with her for "inspection" so to speak.  When Alix first went to England to spend time with Queen V at Osborne, only her father was allowed to go with her and for only two nights.   Her mother was not allowed to go at all and one would think that a young girl would need her mother at a time like this, for moral support, if nothing else.  Apparently the Queen wanted to "no other influences at work during this crucial period when she proposed to mould her future daughter-in-law in the correct image of a POW".  Later  Alix's father was apparently treated with "scant courtesy" when he returned to get his daughter and take her back home before the wedding. During the few days in England he forced to stay at the Danish empassy.  There was no room for him at Windsor Castle.

[kmerov]

She was also pretty harsh in dismissing their eldest son, Frederik as husband to one of her daughters. She made it quit clear that it wasnt going to happend. I have read it was because of her knowledge of what happend to her great-aunt, Queen Caroline Mathilde, but that seems a bit unlikely...

[Svetabel]

I do remember reading somewere that Nicky or possibly Sacha (it could have even been Nixa, Dagmar's first fiancee) had a problem with Louise. Does any one know which one had the problem and what were the details of it. By problem I mean I think she sort of rubbed them the wrong way. I believe I read this in the N&A cataloge. Any clue?  

If you mean the time when Alexander III was the Emperor, not Tsesarevitch,then I read in some book on him (it seems it is one of his biographies) that once Alexander very dryly commented his mother's-in-law (Queen Louise) attempts to instruct him on the political questions, mostly on Russian home affairs. I do not remember Alexander's exact words but he answered (by letter) Louise somewhat "you are not a Russian to understand our home affairs and I request you not to meddle with..".

BTW, one day Queen Olga of Greece tried to have influence on Alexander III and wrote him discussing Russian politics on the Balkans. Alexander even did not answer her ,considering politics beyond women's reach.  

[PrinceEddy1864]

That sounds like Sacha. Thank you for sharing that Sveta.

I think I was talking about a different instance though. When I go home in about a week and a half for Spring Break I will look at the book and the instance I was refering to to see exactly who it was that had the problem. I just cant remember.

[bluetoria]

 When Alix first went to England to spend time with Queen V at Osborne, only her father was allowed to go with her and for only two nights.   Her mother was not allowed to go at all and one would think that a young girl would need her mother at a time like this, for moral support, if nothing else.  Apparently the Queen wanted to "no other influences at work during this crucial period when she proposed to mould her future daughter-in-law in the correct image of a POW".  Later  Alix's father was apparently treated with "scant courtesy" when he returned to get his daughter and take her back home before the wedding. During the few days in England he forced to stay at the Danish empassy.  There was no room for him at Windsor Castle.

I had always thought this was very unkind of QV but earlier today I was reading that her reason for not wanting Alix's father to stay was because she was worried about upsetting the Prussians who were already in a state of agitation about the forthcoming weddin.g QV, being so pro-German, was anxious to appease them as much as possible.  :-/

[TampaBay]

I read somewhere (do not ask me where) that Christian was Pi--ed that his daughter was "on inspection and approval " like goods from a local merchant.

However, he liked Edward VII so he kept his mouth shut.

Marlene, do you have documenation relating to this story?

TampaBay

[kmerov]

The way Victoria treated the family wasnt liked by the danish royals in generel, and it upset them many times. The hole matter for QV was to have as little as posible to do with Alix parents. Christian was disappointed or (P.....) on many occasion in the first years after their children got engaged and married, and the "test" was one of those trials the family had to go thru.
Before Victoria and Christian got married (not to each other ), it seems they got on very well the times they met.

[grandduchessella]

I read somewhere (do not ask me where) that Christian was Pi--ed that his daughter was "on inspection and approval " like goods from a local merchant.

However, he liked Edward VII so he kept his mouth shut.

Well, it was to be expected then. It wasn't called the Marriage Market for nothing.    Probably a good number of women of royalty and nobility felt the same way. I can't blame QV though--she was looking for a future Queen of England and wife to a difficult-to-match son. Considering Christian's position then it should've been taken as an honor. Plus Alexandra was kept in the dark for almost the entire duration so it didn't affect her. Imagine being one of those vetted and passed over!

[kmerov]

The burial place of Christian IX and Louise...

[Marc]

I found a colour portrait of King Christian IX,but haven't found of Queen Louise of either of Queen Alexandrine...Anybody has them?

[bluetoria]

That's a wonderfully clear picture, kmerov!   Somehow it looks very 'modern' - where exactly is it, please?

[kmerov]

Where the picture is from? I cant really remember. I have a very short memory ..But i also have the burial places of Frederik VIII and Lovisa, and CX and Alexandrine...

[jfkhaos]

Wouldn't they all be buried at Roskilde?