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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2005, 09:24:37 PM »
ohhhh, what a tacky terminal read !
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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2005, 09:37:51 PM »
I listened to the DaVinci Code on book-on-tape while commuting in my car, and initially had high hopes for it too, because several people ranted to me about how good it was. I was very dissapointed as well. There was nothing new in it, the plot was so predictable, and in general I found the book quite boring  :(. It was almost as bad as The Romanov Prophecy (but not quite  ;)).

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2005, 10:34:12 PM »
That is why I listened to it. I knew I could never finish actually READING a thing like that.  [out the window  real fast!]
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2005, 10:49:55 PM »
LOL...seems we have a consensus here. :)

One other thing that *really* bugged me was how once this book became **so** hyped and "popular" ALL these books popped out of the woodwork, claiming to explain the significance of the DaVinci Code.  Some titles that were *kind* of related are good, scholarly works (I confess to enjoying Elaine Pagels) that I had read before, but now that early Xianity is a "hot" topic, well...it just put me off completely.  I have always loathed whatever is "popular."

These days I'm reading lots about Hinduism and other Eastern faiths. A nice change!  I'll go back to MaryM and Yeshua and the gang after the hysteria dies down ;)

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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2005, 10:58:43 PM »
Having gone so many of the others, I have been  into studying Islam for several years, long before it became of interest politically.
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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2005, 10:40:40 AM »
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I have faith.  However, I always feel that the more I know about Jesus the man and the time he lived and struggle over which books to become canon the better.  All these things help me to see more about who Jesus was and what his message truly meant.  I like to learn all sides of a story and as I process it I can discern the truth of the matter.  For myself, I need to find proof of Jesus the man to make his sacrifice and salvation as Lord so incredibly meaningful.  

And the discussion can be emotive--just realize that nothing is a personal attack and understand that others have a different way of acknowledging faith (or whatever beliefs they have--we are a very eclectic online community of spititual beliefs and nationalities).



I'm not getting involved again, don't worry! I just want to respond to Denise :)
I know you're right & it IS good to learn as much as we can. I studied theology for my degree (as I said before) & I found the first 3 years of it completely disillusioning which led me into all kinds of bother (in every area of my life) in the end.
It took a great deal to restore it & much of the restoration of it came through personal experience not through  learning. In retrospect the learning WAS very useful & I do still like to learn more. But I find it hard to discuss without it becoming too emotive.
So now I will stay away - I'll probably read it but I promise not to 'but in.'  ;)

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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2005, 02:26:46 PM »
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I know you're right & it IS good to learn as much as we can. I studied theology for my degree (as I said before) & I found the first 3 years of it completely disillusioning which led me into all kinds of bother (in every area of my life) in the end.
It took a great deal to restore it & much of the restoration of it came through personal experience not through  learning. In retrospect the learning WAS very useful & I do still like to learn more. But I find it hard to discuss without it becoming too emotive.



I COMPLETELY understand.  I'll see you in the funny papers (or at least on another thread!!  ;))

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« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2005, 04:27:24 PM »
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I COMPLETELY understand.  I'll see you in the funny papers (or at least on another thread!!  ;))


Thanks ;)

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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2005, 09:29:59 PM »
I still think the most reliable source on the Holy Grail is Monty Python and the Holy Grail, or even Spamalot.

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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2005, 05:35:04 AM »
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I still think the most reliable source on the Holy Grail is Monty Python and the Holy Grail, or even Spamalot.


Oh absolutely!! The holy rabbit of Antioch  ;D ;D far more realistic than the Descendants of of Christ!
(Btw. 'Your father was a hamster & your mother smelt of elderberries!")

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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2005, 09:13:22 AM »
Well I blow my nose at you, you silly English knights!

I'm going for Spamalot now because it has dance numbers. :)

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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2005, 06:34:50 AM »
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Well I blow my nose at you, you silly English knights!



Hmph!!!

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I have to push a pram a lot!!
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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2005, 10:20:31 AM »
Ohhhhhhhhhhh my god I can give you the lyrics to the whoooooooooooooooole show if I so desired...

His...name...is...Lancelot
And in tight pants a lot
He likes to dance a lot...

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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2010, 06:49:33 PM »
I have the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail".  While I don't necessarily believe all that is says.  Basically it chronicles the Meroviginian Dynasty of Ancient France, & the Priory Of Sion.  The Prieure de Sion is a fraternal organization whose sole aim is to see the descendants of Christ...RESTORED to their thrones in Europe, this would include the sovereigns of France, the current monarchs of England, Belgium, Spain, Norway, Denmark, Sweden,  and the deposed monarchies of Germany, Italy, Roumania, etc...all monarchies who share the descendancy of Queen Victoria to Mary Stuart, and back to Charlemagne, and the Meroviginian Dynasty,

My biggest annoyance with the recent Holy Grail hype wasn't all the conspiracy theories themselves, but the fact that the authors and commentators did not eleborate on how exactly any bloodline of Mary Magdalene and Jesus got into the Merovingian dynasty (the legend that their ancestor Merovech was the product of a queen and a sea-monster fits somewhat, but not quite, least of all with regard to the sexes) or, just as crucially, what the link between the Merovingians and Carolingians was! As far as I can see some speculative links have been deduced from genealogies trying to glorify the ancestry of the Carolingians, but the truth is that it wasn't very spectacular and any blood link with their predecessors the Merovingians is rather dubious.

It seems that the Holy Grail people just throw out the term "Merovingian" like some magic spell that suddenly links everything, when in fact the Merovingians went extinct, at least in the proven, official line. This lack of a link actually made me appreciate the theory that the Carolingians formed an alliance with Papacy: They got the throne of their former employers, the "sacred Jesus descendants" Merovingians and the crown of the empire that executed Jesus, while the Papacy got the threatening, proto-feminist, anti-authoritarian form of Christianity represented by the Jesus-Mary Magdalene union banned as a heresy, Mary Magdalene branded as a whore and replaced with the Virgin Mary.

Either way there is no Jesus bloodline to modern royalty. His descendants must be either some Occitant ex-Cathar peasants in the south of France (the whole subject's ties with Occitan nationalism is extremely interesting, I think) or some illegitimate descendants of the Merovingians. And they could be anyone. (Just like anyone in Europe can be a descendant of Charlemagne.)

In my opinion the whole matter in most aspects primarily concerns France, "the eldest daughter of the Church" and the very land of Madeleine. (What exactly was it that Proust remembered when he dipped that madeleine cookie in his tea.....?) And it concerns the regicide that is one of the defining moments in French history: If Louis XVI was a descendant of Jesus, isn't that kind of heretic? I mean, not executing him, but his very being. The idea that Jesus, our dear humble carpenter-god, had descendants who became less than humble kings and emperors of the empire that executed the Son of God, is just wrong! That would make Christianity no better than all kinds of pagan religions where gods were the ancestors of the powers that be. (I wouldn't really have any theological problems with Jesus and Mary Magdalene being a couple and having children, as long as those children were not divine, but just ordinary carpenter's kids.)

If, on the other hand, Louis XVI was a descendant of a bloodline that had ousted the true descendants of Christ by making a diabolical deal with the power-hungry Whore of Babylon (i.e. the Pope), well that would also justify putting an end to the treacherous Carolingian-Capetian line. (Then comes the issue of exactly how genealogically linked to the Carolingians the Capetians were. And whether the fact that Louis XVI was "the locksmith on the throne" is an illusion to Jesus, artisan and King of Jews.) The whole regicide theme could also be extended to Charles I of Britain and NAOTMAA, as they also were descended from Charlemagne.

It's an entertaining, mostly fictional synoptical rebus of our whole occidental heritage, I think: Just like the linguistic rebus at the heart of the subject: Is it san-greal or sang-real...
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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #59 on: June 23, 2010, 03:12:22 PM »
LOL Interesting, hadn't heard the descended from Jesus story before. ah well, like my mother has always said... we can't be sure of much. Who's to say who someone really 'was' other than to take it at face value. Only DNA could prove that, and we don't know if descendent x, y or z was actually a product of a stable boy and passed off as otherwise. ;)