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« Reply #180 on: September 05, 2007, 03:19:31 AM »
Yes one wonders why the reigning Pontiff would have connections still with a deposed former imperial house? I guess the Habsburgs were generous financial benefactors to the Vatican for countless generations.

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« Reply #181 on: September 15, 2007, 09:11:10 AM »
Zita with Karl and her two older children Otto and Adélaïde :





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« Reply #182 on: September 15, 2007, 09:34:49 AM »
Karl :







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« Reply #183 on: September 15, 2007, 02:46:16 PM »










 The Archbishop of Graz, Ferdinand Von Palikowski, left, baptizes the twin daughters of Otto Von Hapsburg, pretender to the Austrian throne. The former Empress Zita (glasses, center background) holds Monica while the Duchess of Saxony-Meiningen (center, foreground) holds baby Michaela. Otto Von Hapsburg (right) watches the ceremony while his one-year-old daughter, Andrea Maria, sits in his arms.









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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #184 on: September 16, 2007, 12:27:51 AM »
Zita always seems to have been the stronger of the two physically. Karl never appeared to be terribly robust in health.

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« Reply #185 on: September 16, 2007, 08:41:21 AM »
She was always so dignified and so royal in her appearances while remaining so simple and natural ! Zita took really the port and the form of a great sovereign !
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« Reply #186 on: November 11, 2007, 10:51:43 AM »
Zita during the 1916's coronation in photo and portrait :





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« Reply #187 on: November 11, 2007, 08:05:17 PM »
Lovely with pearls !

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« Reply #188 on: November 16, 2007, 11:43:09 AM »
Lovely with pearls !

Nothing clothed Zita. She was the kind of woman who could wear while remaining always elegant.

It must be said that the fashion of the time her particularly well suited and even dressed very simply, Zita was majestic !
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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #189 on: November 29, 2007, 09:26:51 PM »
Hi,

I'm a new member here. I have a question regarding imperial coronation. It seems Emperor Karl and Empress Zita were only crowned in Hungary. Why weren't they crowned in Vienna? Was there usually an imperial coronation for the Austrian monarchs?

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« Reply #190 on: December 02, 2007, 04:33:41 PM »
Hi Princess of Cupertino! That is a good question and one to which I unfortunately don't know the answer. As far as I can remember, Franz-Joseph was not "formally" crowned as Emperor of Austria either. As a result of the revolution of 1848 the Imperial family had fled Vienna to the relative safety of Olomuc (Olmuetz) in Moravia. Prince Schwartzenberg and Archduchess Sophie became convinced that the only way to save the Empire was to get Emperor Ferdinand to abdicate and his brother, Archduke Franz-Karl, to renounce his right to the throne, and to name the 18 year old Franz-Joseph as Emperor. By coincidence, that took place on this day (2nd. December) 159 years ago at eight o'clock in the morning in the palace of the Bishop of Olmuetz. Emperor Ferdinand read the act of abdication and his nephew, Franz-Joseph, became the new Emperor.

The Hungarian coronation was different, in that it was part of the "deal" negotiated in the so-called "Hungarian Compromise" of 1867.

Hopefully somebody will be able to shed more light on this question.

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« Reply #191 on: December 30, 2007, 11:22:54 AM »
When Emperor Franz II changed his title  to Emperor of Austria he did not use the occaion for a coronation. However it was announced that the House crown of Rudolf II would become the new hereditary Imperial Crown. The only time it was worn was for the 1830 portrait painted by von Amerling. A lightweight copy was created in 1830 for Franz to wear at his sons coronation at Bratislava and this was melted down in 1871.
On the death of Franz the Imperial Regalia were displayed at the accession ceremony in Vienna of Ferdinand and his successors.
In 1848 there was a private investiture of Franz Josef in Olomouc Cathedral but I have no details. I suspect it was a service of thankgiving.

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« Reply #192 on: January 24, 2008, 09:05:46 PM »
Karl and Zita were accompanied into exile by a cook, a maid, and Count and Countess Hunyadi. In a contemporary newspaper article, the former Emperor mentions that they are to be joined by their tutor, governess, nurse, and his wife's companion. I'm assuming that this would be a lady in waiting to the former Empress Zita. In Imperial Twilight, three ladies in waiting are mentioned, including Countess Nora Nostitz and Countess Agnes Schonborn. I was wondering if anyone knew which of these ladies later joined the Ex-Empress as her companion. From reading Imperial Twilight I'm assuming the Countess Schonborn.

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #193 on: February 04, 2008, 06:57:03 PM »
Mark I. Pinsky | Sentinel Staff Writer
February 1, 2008
 
 The last ruler of the Austro-Hungarian Empire moved a little closer to Roman Catholic sainthood Thursday, thanks to a Baptist woman from Kissimmee who claims the monarch's intercession saved her from metastatic breast cancer.

Emperor Karl von Habsburg, beatified by Pope John Paul II in 2004, needs a Vatican-approved miracle to be canonized, the final step to sainthood. The Central Florida woman claims she was cured of terminal cancer after she prayed to Karl of Austria to intercede with Jesus on her behalf.

The Kissimmee woman, who remains a devout Baptist, attended a Mass and ceremony at St. James Cathedral Chapel on Thursday, but she would not be identified or interviewed. Bishop Thomas Wenski, who celebrated the Mass, said the matter involved discretion rather than secrecy.

 
However, Paula Melancon, a Catholic from Baton Rouge, said after the ceremony that she had become interested in Karl while traveling with her husband in Europe. She sent the emperor's prayer cards to a number of relatives and friends, one of which found its way to Kissimmee, where the cancer sufferer was near death.

"It is an honor for our diocese to be part of something that is larger than all of us," Wenski said. "Miracles are not done for show. Jesus didn't do miracles because he was a showoff."

A judicial tribunal convened by the Diocese of Orlando and officially concluded Thursday has found that there is no medical explanation for the woman's dramatic recovery, and more than half a dozen doctors in two states -- most of them non-Catholics -- agreed.

Who is this saint-in-waiting?

Karl took the throne in 1916, during World War I, reigning as Charles I of Austria and Charles IV of Hungary. A pious Catholic who opposed the war, he was forced to abdicate in 1918, when his empire collapsed, and died of the flu in exile on the island of Madeira in 1922 at the age of 34. Among his accomplishments, Karl censored obscene materials, closed soldiers' brothels during World War I and sent the troops more chaplains. Until his death, he tried to regain the throne of Hungary.

Few argue that Karl was a political or diplomatic success as a leader.

"He was well-intentioned, but he was ineffectual," said Vladimir Solonari, a University of Central Florida history professor.

But church officials and observers of the sainthood process say that is not the issue.

"It's fair to say you have a failed emperor who is being canonized," said Bert Ghezzi of Winter Park, author of Voices of the Saints. "But the criteria are not success in the political or secular arena. The church looks at how the person behaved in a Christian way. Did they live wholly for God? He lived a holy life -- and that's what people do, except that he's a Habsburg emperor."

After Mass, the sealed findings were turned over by Wenski to Andrea Ambrosi, an Italian lawyer who is Karl's chief advocate. On the table near the documents, which were sealed with red wax, was a reliquary containing a piece of Karl's rib. The documents now go via the Vatican's diplomatic pouch to Rome and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, where more scrutiny will follow.

Ambrosi said it is highly unusual for the person claiming the miracle to be a non-Catholic.

The 16-month process of investigating the miracle claim was a first for the Diocese of Orlando.

"We didn't have any knowledge of the process," said the Rev. Fernando Gil, the diocese's judicial vicar, a situation that required him to do "a lot of study and a lot of reading."

The doctors who testified, Gil said, "would never admit there was a miracle."

However, they could find no medical explanation for the recovery -- which is the standard Rome requires to accept the evidence. Informally, Gil served as the tribunal's "devil's advocate," a Vatican position that no longer exists.

While the medical miracles play a central role in the Church's sainthood process, so does money. Some experts say this may especially be true in Blessed Karl's case. Ambrosi, who does not work for the Vatican or any order or religious organization, said he is employed by the Habsburg family.

"You can't buy a halo, but the process for getting someone canonized takes a lot of time and effort and work to do the research," said the Rev. Tom Reese, senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University. "That costs money."

There are, he said, larger issues.

"This is the kind of canonization I don't think is terribly helpful," said Reese, a Jesuit and former editor of the magazine America. "We don't need any more kings or princes or bishops . . . We need to find saints that connect to ordinary people.








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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #194 on: February 05, 2008, 10:14:15 AM »
"This is the kind of canonization I don't think is terribly helpful," said Reese, a Jesuit and former editor of the magazine America. "We don't need any more kings or princes or bishops . . . We need to find saints that connect to ordinary people.


FYI, most people would consider the Jesuits and America to be fairly leftwing. So this comment is not surprising.