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Charles Count of Flanders
« on: February 11, 2005, 10:57:47 AM »
Does anyone have any information about Charles  Count of Flanders, Prince of Belgium? (1903-1983) He was of some importance since he was Regent of Belgium (1944-50) during the crisis over King Leopold's return to the throne after WW2. His mother was Queen Elizabeth, born Duchess in Bavaria, who seems to have been creative and a bit eccentric (perhaps a characteristic of her family?)
Charles seems to have been a rather mysterious person from the few remarks I have read.

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2005, 11:06:28 AM »
Prince Charles as a young boy


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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 11:07:03 AM »
and as an older man


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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 11:09:44 AM »
Te Count of Flanders was indeed an artistic soul, as was his mother.  His home on the Belgian coast is a small museum now...not a large house by any means, but rather interesting.  After Baudouin's accession to the Belgian throne, the Count of Flanders retreated more and more into a life of privacy.  He is alleged to have married late, but there is no definitive proof of that.  However, there is a lady who brings flowers to him at the Royal Crypt in Laeken every year.

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 12:02:25 PM »
102 Years ago, Prince Charles was born. In 2003 2 books have been released about this rather eccentric person. One of these books is a compilation of surprising anecdotes about Charles, written down by Michel Capon and told to him by people who worked for him on his domain Raversijde in Oostende, or other people who knew him from very close by. So……..not a dull biography, but simple stories, filled with Couleur Local, so even juicier.

"Prince Charles was disappointed about 2 things”, author Michel Capon tells. “First of all he was not allowed to marry the love of his live, Jacqueline Wehrli. His brother Leopold and mother Queen Elisabeth thought, the not-noble daughter of a pastry baker from Brussels was not good enough for the prince. Charles already had a daughter by Jacqueline, called Isabelle, and he wanted to adopt the child, but Leopold and Elisabeth also prevented this. Later Leopold married Lilian Baels, who was (just like Jacqueline) NOT noble. Ánd their children were given the title of prince. This hurted Charles enormously and it was the beginning of the fracture with the Royal Family.
Secondly Charles felt he was passed by. He had been prince regent during the very difficult years after the war, “saved the monarchy” so tells Capon. “He hoped he would become a sort of travelling ambassador for his country (just as prince Filip does now) after his regency. But this was denied to him, he was not needed anymore. Embittered he retrieved to his domain Raverijde, near Oostende. He was offered a donation of 4.000.000 francs a year, but he refused. “I’m not doing anything for the country. Then they must not pay me” his thinking was. Once, in a café, he criticized also the salaries for the rest of the Royal Family. Well, Charles did not need a salary; he inherited enough from his grandmother by mother’s side.

Clothing-pins

"A womaniser? That is exaggerated; Capon thinks, “The prince liked to see women. But he was an introverted person. He did not chase women, they chased hím. For his money and glory of course. His friends introduced him to these women, who tried to charm him. A few ones succeeded. Like Renée Damoiseau, a dancer from Brussels with who he had a relationship in the 60’s. Later he had an affair with a lady called Karine Vernooy.          
"At this point the prince had a caravan installed on his domain Raversijde. While Karine was in the villa, he received Renée in the caravan. The ladies never knew about each other” Capon grins. “He told Vernooy he would inspect the domain. And after a while having spend time in the caravan he had an alarm clock tinkle, on what he told he expected a phone call and had to go back to the villa.”                                  
Amongst the elderly people of Oostende, the stories about prince Charles are vivid, his visits to the café and other escapades. “He was a very pleasant man when he had been drinking. He even invented a game to be played in the café. For this one had to wear a hat made out of paper and one had to put clothing-pins on ones nose and ears. “
Charles gave his personnel large tips, from 500 until 1000 francs. But he checked them too. “When he was regent, he wrote down the kilometre reading from the cars of his personnel. And he would mark his whisky-bottles, to be sure that none would drink of it secretly. When he bought cherries, he counted them, so that the maid couldn’t eat one of them. It all had to be right. That’s why he refused the salary. That was not right.” Michel Capon knows


Michel Capon, 'Prins Karel, seigneur van Raversijde', uitg. The House Of Books, 176 blz., 14,90 euro.

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 12:03:18 PM »
I had to translate it, so I hope there are not too many mistakes!  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2005, 01:01:58 PM »
My thanks to Arturo and Danjel for the information and pictures.
The picture of Charles as an adult perfectly presents the image of a private person--it is rather moving.
He apparently shared the eccentricity and strong minded aprroach of his mother. I read a story that she was found by her courtiers in a bomb crater playing her violin and explained that she found the accoustics to be perfect. She must have been the first royal to have visited the Soviet Union when she travelled there, I believe,  to support some musical festival. The Belgium government was, it seems, not pleased as the cold war was still ongoing.
King Albert I and Queen Elizabeth seem to have been ideal monarchs.

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 11:20:21 AM »
He is a sort of an enigmatic character.

He played an undisputed role in the after-war, by becoming the Regent of the country and avoiding a possible republic during the period king Leopold and his family were prisonners and later in exile.

How did he escape the german invaders ?
I think I read once that they didn't know of his existance  ;D and therefore they only arrested the king, the pss of Réthy and the royal children.
That is not very favourable for the german intelligence, which was known for arresting first and ask the questions later.
Specially as he was the brother of Pss.Marie José, the wife of Pr. of Piedmont.
She was "persona non grata" with the germans and the italians. It seems odd that neither have caught any letters from her to her BROTHER Charles. ::)

Where did he spend the war to be able to escape the german troops ?

Can someone post some photos of Charles at the different periods of his life ?




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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2006, 04:55:07 PM »
More information on the "Raversijde"site.Raversijde was the domain where Prince Karel,even tho he sold the estate in 1981,lived for many years until his death in 1983,near Oostende,Belgium.

http://users.pandora.be/alex.deseyne/ENG/BioPrinsKarelE.htm
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2006, 03:20:09 AM »
How did Charles and Leopold get along, after Charles became regent? And what about the relationship between Charles and his mother? I've read somewhere the Queen Elisabeth resented Charles for being a regent and the fact that Leopold had to abdicate? Was that true?

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2006, 03:56:36 PM »
and as an older man



Wow ... I've never seen a photo of him as an older man ... I takes after his maternal grandfather Carl Theodor in Bavaria, what a resemblance! 
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2006, 02:20:54 AM »
Does he not have any children?
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Does he not have any children?

No, apparently he didn't have any children.

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2006, 11:53:14 AM »
It seems that his relations with his family were difficult. He did not get along with his brother Leopold who always posted his superiority of elder and remained many years annoyed with his mother the Queen Elisabeth who always posted her preference for Leopold.
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