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« Reply #360 on: February 08, 2009, 11:10:02 AM »
I read somewhere that Alexander III bullied Nicholas and called him "Girly" or something like that. That's not very encouraging for a future Tsar. What father would do that?



Yes, it's true, I read the same thing.

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« Reply #361 on: February 08, 2009, 12:28:23 PM »
Indeed it is true. IIRC, Alexander called Nicholas "girly". It was pretty well known that Michael was Alexander's favorite son. I think Alexander should have started training Nicholas earlier, particularly if he knew the family history and that the majority of Romanov Tsars died before the age of 50 for various reasons. Supposedly he planned to train Nicholas after he turned 30, but he died when Nicholas was 26 because of the aftereffects of the train wreck. After the wreck Alexander complained of neck, back and kidney pain and died of nephritis (swollen kidneys).

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« Reply #362 on: February 14, 2009, 07:32:38 PM »
Selencia, you can't totally blame his father.  Alexander III was not given the special education and training a Tsarevitch did, because he wasn't supposed to be Tsar, his brother was. So maybe Alexander felt that if he could start being trained at such a later stage, so could Nicholas.  It was felt that Alexander would rule until late in his life and they would have plenty of time for Nicholas to be trained.  Nicholas didn't have his fathers stature or forceful personality, he was smaller physically and he did not like confrontations. 

You make it sound like they did absolutely nothing to familiarize Nicholas with the daily business of being Tsar, and this is not true. 

Nicholas himself felt he was not prepared, and he said this the day of his fathers death.  Of course he felt like that, his personality was gentle, quiet and kind, not the type to just take charge and take over and be a big Russian bear of a Tsar.  I think Nicholas tried his best at first, considering his mother, uncles, and wife (more so later on in his reign) were all trying to persuade him to do what they wanted.  He tried to please everyone, yet this was impossible, and he also wanted to follow his fathers reign, since it was peaceful. 

I think Nicholas truly did his best.  Towards the end of his reign, I believe he was tired, worn out, drained, and it did not take much to talk him into abdicating. 

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« Reply #363 on: February 14, 2009, 11:38:20 PM »
You make it sound like they did absolutely nothing to familiarize Nicholas with the daily business of being Tsar, and this is not true. 

I'd be curious to know what WAS done to "familiarize Nicholas with the daily business of being Tsar".  Could you cite some examples?  I was always under the impression this was tragically neglected.

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« Reply #364 on: February 16, 2009, 08:13:07 AM »
I have read that Alexander III was contrary to the marriage between Nicholas and Alexandra, and that he consented to their wedding only in deathbed...obviously he knew that Nicholas had to get married for allowing the continuity of the dynasty.
If I'm not wrong, Alexander III wanted that Nicholas married a French princess to strengthen the relationship of alliance between Russia and France.
Is this true?

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Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« Reply #365 on: February 16, 2009, 08:15:38 AM »
yes, but helen d ´Orléans was Catholic and refused to convert. Alexander III. only allowed Nicky to marry Alix also to "encourage him".

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Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« Reply #366 on: February 16, 2009, 08:34:08 AM »
Thank you for the answer!, now I finally know the name of that french princess...Helen d'Orléans.
In reality I had read it but I didn't remember it.  :-[
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Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« Reply #367 on: February 16, 2009, 12:24:49 PM »
Helene D`Orleans wasnt Albert Victor s Love of his life?

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Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« Reply #368 on: February 16, 2009, 12:39:47 PM »
Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence?
Sincerely I don't know...maybe yes.

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« Reply #369 on: February 16, 2009, 01:16:04 PM »
Ah!, if I'm not wrong she was the wife of the Duke of Aosta...

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« Reply #370 on: February 16, 2009, 01:24:04 PM »
yes, it is her. Helena D` Orleans Married Manuel Filiberto Duke of Aosta and became duchess of aosta ;-)

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Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« Reply #371 on: February 21, 2009, 01:21:01 PM »
I `ve also happened to read that Misha was his parents` favorite son but it is hard for me to imagine that Mariya Fedorovna and AIII could have neglected the rules of succession. In fact, AIII ha dthese rules instilled from the cradle on. I guess that the welfare of the dynasty was uppermost in his mind. When his father AII married Ekaterina Yurevskaya, he obeyed his father although he objected to this marrriage but his father was the Emperor. And AII was so much grateful to his son. What is more, AIII fully justified the murder of Tzarevich Alexey i.e. Peter`s order to murder his son on the grounds that the Emperor was first of all the ruler. Being a father was not the major role. hence, changing the line of succession did not eno enter his mind. AIII was so much attached to the rules and traditions

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« Reply #372 on: February 21, 2009, 01:23:26 PM »
Well said, violetta! :- >

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Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« Reply #373 on: February 22, 2009, 09:30:15 AM »
AIII fully justified the murder of Tzarevich Alexey i.e. Peter`s order to murder his son on the grounds that the Emperor was first of all the ruler. Being a father was not the major role. hence, changing the line of succession did not eno enter his mind. AIII was so much attached to the rules and traditions

I know this fact, the senate had condamned Tsarevich Alexei Petrovich (son of Tsar Peter I) to death for conspiring rebellion against his father, but I didn't know that Alexander III fully justified that decision, thank you for the information!
And Peter I accepted the decision of senate without opposition?
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Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« Reply #374 on: February 22, 2009, 11:50:04 AM »
AIII fully justified the murder of Tzarevich Alexey i.e. Peter`s order to murder his son on the grounds that the Emperor was first of all the ruler. Being a father was not the major role. hence, changing the line of succession did not eno enter his mind. AIII was so much attached to the rules and traditions

I know this fact, the senate had condamned Tsarevich Alexei Petrovich (son of Tsar Peter I) to death for conspiring rebellion against his father, but I didn't know that Alexander III fully justified that decision, thank you for the information!
And Peter I accepted the decision of senate without opposition?

This wee I`mind vising the National library in Warsaw and I`m going to find some quotations confirming AIII`s opinion on the issue