Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich

[flying_sparrows]

Could this possibly be one of the sites previously mentioned?

http://www.npsnet.com/tsarevich_alexei/index.html

I realize some of it is far-fetched and I'm new, however, some of his ideas and theories make sense.  Opinions?

Just thought I'd share.

[Pravoslavnaya]

Dear flying_sparrows:

In light of this particular thread about whether the Tsesarevich could possibly have survived the carnage in the basement of the Ipatiev house, the Tammet story falls flat when compared to the narrative of what happened to the poor boy one reads in the Fate of the Romanovs.  While Tammet claimed that Yurovsky was such an excellent shot as to deliberately miss him and render him deaf in one ear, and was supposed to have had bayonet scars in the lower part of his body,  Yurovsky himself said in his memoirs that he shot the Tsarevich two or three times at point blank range -- and this after Ermakov flung himself on the boy and inflicted bayonet blows in the region of the heart that drew blood in spite of the jeweled armor he wore, and that after enough shots to the abdomen that Alexei slipped out of his chair to his father's feet.

The Tammet claim and site have been cited and discussed in other threads.  I leave it to you to read the discussions on the boards dedicated to Alexei Nikolaevich and to Imperial Claimants.

[Deliciously_Scared]

New to the board, I did a search on Filatov to see if this issue had been addressed already, but couldn't find anything on it.

I just finished the book on Filatov and I was wondering whether anyone knew if any new info had been discovered, i.e. did Filatov's DNA get analyzed?

Also, I found it odd that Filatov said nothing about what happened to the Grand Duchess whose body is unaccounted for.

Does anyone know anything more about this specific case?

[RissiaSunbeam1918]

I remember that book. I'm not sure about 5the case, but the book was not that convincing.

[etonexile]

Other than in romantic fantasy...NONE of the Romanov family escaped that cellar...DNA is the ultimate proof...but the viciousness of the guards and firing squad is the first evidence...These weren't boy scout with pop-guns...sheeeeesh...

[RissiaSunbeam1918]

I'm sorry, I got cut off on my last post. What I was going top continue saying was:

Alyoshenka was shot close range in the right temple, and I think that would do more to a person (let alone a hemophiliac) than than deafen him.

Personally, I didn't even think they looked alike, and although it is possible that his looks could have changed a lot, I mean the last pictures of him were when he was a young teen, and his conditions could have made him look older, more stressed, and pther things like that, I don't personally see any resemblance. I think that stuff in the back that lists "unusual simmilarities" is garbage.

When he identified his "family" he misidentified the Grand Duchesses. You would think someone that close to them could tell hih "sisters" apart from one another.

[GD Alexandra]

I'm sorry, I got cut off on my last post. What I was going top continue saying was:

Alyoshenka was shot close range in the right temple, and I think that would do more to a person (let alone a hemophiliac) than than deafen him.

That info should be enough to convince anyone that poor Alyosha didn't survive...

[Belochka]

Another tiresome novel created to distort the real facts.  

[RissiaSunbeam1918]

Deliciously_Scared, do you beleive Alyosha is Vastly Flatov?  :-/

[Forum Admin]

This topic really belongs under the "Question of Survivors" and not the Alexei thread, so I moved it.

[RissiaSunbeam1918]

Sorry.

[Deliciously_Scared]

Deliciously_Scared, do you beleive Alyosha is Vastly Flatov?  :-/

No, but I am open to the possibility.  As previous posters stated, definitive DNA evidence is required and since that hasn't been done, I'll remain open minded.

I don't think there has been a definitive true account of what happened that night, however I also think it unlikely any of them survived.

What are anyone's theories about the 2 missing bodies?

[Jutte]

i think that heino tammet was a far more plausible and convincing claimant, even though it was obvious he wasn't real. i think the fact that alexei was a haemophiliac is evidence enough to suggest he didn't survive.

i have opposing theories on the missing bodies. one which i would like to be true, two which are considerably more likely.

1) anastasia was still alive and escaped the truck, accidentally taking alexei's body with her as she escaped and alexei's body was lost that way, while anastasia lived. this is the theory i would like to be true.

2) the drunken guards who were clumsy in most other aspects of the assassination simply lost the other bodies OR there's the theory that the two smallest children were tested to see how quickly the bodies burned.

[RissiaSunbeam1918]

My theory on the bodies:

The gaurds wanted to burn Alexei and his mother right? My theory being she was the "German" who they hated, and h would be the "evil Tsar who wouldnt let them be free" (   ) after Nicholas. Now, we know her body was found because the saw her dental work in the skull, but Robert K. Massie says bodies sometimes bloat or get bigger after they die depending on your age. I think Anastasia's body got bigger and they thought it was Alexandra scince the faces were so mutalated. I could be wrong, but it seems like it could happen. Then they probably just threw the ashes.  The wind could have taken it anywhere.

[etonexile]

Yes...don't look for tidy,technical butchery by the murderers...They shot,chopped,burned,used acid...and if one or two bodies went astray....What did they care?...the Romanovs were dead...and the Whites were approaching....history as ugly business....