Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich

[shadowfox4089]

more evidence that Heino Tammet was indeed alexei

http://www.npsnet.com/tsarevich_alexei/page29.html

[etonexile]

A combination of hutzpah and madness can take one a long way....








...tries not to think of FS/AA...tries very hard....

[etonexile]

Folk can claim whatever they wish....with no DNA backing....just an attitude....but it does seem evermore sad in the memory of a bright and charming young chap and his family...to be so cruelly extinguished....in a dreadful,small cellar....and then to have the flotsum-and-jetsam of Old Europe to be claiming that they are the 'august dead'....IT'S A FUNNY OLD WORLD....

[RissiaSunbeam1918]

Not to mention any claiments in particular, but some of them, with such little evedance, would be better claiming they were X Romanov in a past life.

I guess, though, If you beleive Tammet, it's ok. I mean, we'd all want to beleive someone survived that night (but some of us are pretty hard to crack on this site)

[Fawzia]

He doesn't really look like Alexei to me.  

[Georgiy]

He certainly aged well if that photo from 1967 (from the link a couple of posts back)is to be believed! Doesn't look at all like a 63 year old there!

[RealAnastasia]

I always took DNA proofs with a grain of salt...But certainly I always knew Alexei was an hemophiliac and Heino Tammet WAS NOT. I don't believe in the "Thrombocitopenya" story, for it simptoms are very different from Alexei's one as a child.  The Semionov story is more beliable to me, but sadly, I havent a single photo from him, and I can't said if he looked as Alexei or not. Edvard Radzinsky has some snapshots from Semionov, and it will be a good think if he would share it with us.

RealAnastasia.
 

[Lizameridox]

Poor Alexei Nikolaevich!  Forgive me, but my heart cries for that sweet little prince every time I read Mr. Tammet's name in print.     I believe this claimant's own family in Estonia have said it's high time things were brought to a halt and I only wish they would do something more about it, since their unique perspective would go a long way.

[etonexile]

Erm...what was that piccie of HT dressed as Charlie McCarthy...?...including monacle...I think good looking costume jewelry can be had from most theatrical costumers....

[lexi4]

Don't we have other threads that address this? Look under the claimants thread.

[jaa]

I find also the thrombocytopenia theory much more convoluted than it is convincing.

However, in Tammet's case, the DNA issue is troubling because apparently at least one DNA test was done - and the result was not released, not even to the family. This is a link to Kendricks' account of the DNA tests:
http://www.npsnet.com/tsarevich_alexei/page4.html

Kendrick has a lot of conspiracy arguments, but I have no reason to doubt the facts he gives: the teeth samples and the letters from Dr. Ivanov and Dr. Gill. It is unclear what happened to the testing at Aldermaston, and the letters are conflicting. Testing by Dr. Marie-Claire King's lab was supposedly completed, but the results were never released. I don't know what to think of any of this.

[Lizameridox]

The world would have known by now if Tammet's DNA had proven he had any connection to the Imperial Family.  I think it is a lot more likely that testing was not even completed because Mrs. Tammet had not paid for it like the Filatovs and Anna Anderson's supporters had done.   Conspiracy theories make for high romance -- not a crime against a lost Romanov.

[RealAnastasia]

I repeat it...We have not "conspirative minds". There ARE cosnpirations in this world. Deny it, it's to said we are all ingenuous. There are conspirations surrounding the Romanovs, as there are surrounding other subjects...I'm not saying that Heino Tammet was Alexei for I don't know if he was, but I'm as I said many times here,  open minded to all possibilities. I wants to know the DNA results in Heino Tammet case; I wants to see Filipp Grigorievich Semionov photographies and other claimants ones, etc.

Historical subjects are NEVER closed. We'll be all time asking different questions about them and seeing them from other points of view. Science is an History helper, but History is NOT science, as History is not Arqueologie, Sociologie, etc. I don't divinise DNA. It's only an History helper, not more, not less.

RealAnastasia

[jaa]

I'm sure conspiracies exist, but I'm certainly not sure any conspiracy was at work in the Tammet case. Obviously I wasn't clear about this, but I found too much of Kendrick's argument was conspiracy and there were few facts.

It's just that what facts there are of the DNA testing seem strange. I am not suggesting anything; I honestly don't know what to make of this.

Apparently, there's a DNA sample in the freezer at Aldermaston of which Dr. Gill is not aware. And, two years after Mrs. Tammet sent the teeth for testing, Dr. Ivanov suggested that they should charge for the test. None of this makes sense to me:

According to Kendrick, Tammet's "widow and third wife, thirty-five years his junior, sent two of his teeth to England's Home Office forensic scientists in Aldermaston in April of 1993... On the tenth day of May 1993 Dr. Ivanov sent a memo to Molecular Research Centre director Dr. Peter Gill stating that he considered the analysis of those teeth to be worthwhile."

Sometime around February 1994, Dr. Gill sent a letter to Tammet's widow saying he had no knowledge of the sample.

Kendrick writes that in August 1995, Dr. Ivanov sent Mrs. Tammet a letter stating that "DNA extraction was started on one of the teeth.  He says there was a 'hiatus' and the work was stopped but gives no explanation why.  It was then suggested that they should charge for the tests.  Dr. Ivanov said that to the best of his knowledge the extraction was still in a laboratory freezer in Aldermaston when he left for Moscow on the 16th of July 1993."

"...another two teeth had been sent to the American research team headed by Dr. William Maples of the C.A. Pound Human Identification Laboratory at the University of Florida.  He sent those two teeth along with his other Romanov material to the lab of Dr. Mary-Claire King in Berkeley, California.  Dr. Maples told Mrs. Romanov [Tammet's widow] during the summer of 1994 that 'The evidence is complete'.  Dr. King has yet to release any sort of report and Mrs. Romanov has yet to be told anything about the results of the tests."

Again, I'm not suggesting any conspiracy or coverup or proof that Tammet was Alexei. I just can't make enough sense of this to suggest anything at all.

[etonexile]

I suppose the "truth" is in this mish-mosh somewhere...


besides the fact that HT looks NOTHING like AN or other Czarist relations....cripes...."I" look more like AN....and I look like Harry Potter.....