Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich

[AGRBear]

Yes, he may have survived for another day, a week,  months, or even several years despite what you and others think.

If there was even a hint someone was claiming to be Alexei, I bet the commmunists sent someone to make sure he wasn't the real Alexei.  To them, this was politically important in the early years.

No,  I don't think the claimants we know about were Alexei but that doesn't mean anything to me accept to prove there are people who out there who wanted to make people believe they were.  And, that is   sad .

If Alexei had suddenly poped up in England and knocked on the door of George V,  do you think he would have been allowed in to see the King? And,  what would it have taken, back then, for you and the rest of the world to believe he was the real Alexei?  [Remember that was long before DNA.]

AGRBear

[AlexeiLVR]

I've read this thread and I still don't understand if Anastasia and Alexei were realy dead where were they burried then?

And does any one know the site where Cheka, G.I. Sukhcrukov tells what he witnessed the night of the murder?

Vera

[Abby]

They could not have been buried because the bodies weren't found. Do you mean, did they die at the time when the rest of the family was cannonized? We would all like to know that as well!  

As for the witnessing of the murder, the only other person that I read about as witnessing the murder besides the executioners themselves was Deryabin, who watched from the semicircular window, and Ivan Kleschev, who watched from the arched window opening to the garden on the west side of the house.  According to "The Fate of the Romanovs."

[AlexeiLVR]

ok thanx Abby!

But I also herd that Alexei and one of the lady in waiting were cremated (fogive my spelling) Doesn't cremated mean being burned to ashes?

And isin't that why Alexei's body was never found?  

[Malenkaya]

But I also herd that Alexei and one of the lady in waiting were cremated (fogive my spelling) Doesn't cremated mean being burned to ashes?

Yes, that's what it means.  However, they did not have the means to do what they claimed.  It would have been impossible for the bodies to have been completely reduced to ashes in the way the assassins said they did it.  They claimed they burned the bodies in one night until nothing was left of them.  (I believe I read once about a scientist who used one human bone and attempted to recreate what the Bolsheviks claimed to do - doused the bone in sulfuric acide and then set it on fire.  Several days later the bone was still there.)  It's also next to impossible to destroy human teeth - at the very least, teeth would have been discovered at the site.  But none were found.

[Elisabeth]

Even Yurovsky admitted that there were remains left over after the burning. The Bolsheviks tried and failed to cremate two of the bodies. This is why there was a second burial - not of ashes, but of human remains, as testified by many.

[Malenkaya]

Even Yurovsky admitted that there were remains left over after the burning. The Bolsheviks tried and failed to cremate two of the bodies. This is why there was a second burial - not of ashes, but of human remains, as testified by many.

Maybe it was a very old source, but I do recall reading somewhere that they claimed they burned the bodies and there was nothing left.  We know that couldn't have been the case, but I know I read someone's account that claimed they completely destroyed the evidence.  Maybe the story changed in time when they realized what they had claimed wasn't actually possible?  I wish I could remember where I read it.

[Elisabeth]

No, as early as 1920 Yurovsky recorded that they burned and then buried the "remains" (quote unquote) of two bodies in a separate grave from the others. Then they lit another fire over this separate grave to cover up the traces of the failed cremation.

I don't have access to his 1928 Note, but in his 1934 Note, Yurovsky recorded that "we dug a pit by the spot where they were burned, piled in the bones, evened it over, lit another big fire, and covered all traces with ashes."

[AlexeiLVR]

ok so what i understand is there was an attempt to cremate two of the bodies wich i herd were Alexei's and one of the ladies in waiting. And then when they realized they have failed to cremate them, were the remains just bones?

And the rest of the bodies were burried els where, but the remains of Alexei and the lady in waiting were burried in another spot?

This is all abit confusing for me! Can somebody explain it to me again but in simpler form? Thanx i'm sorry for the trouble as some of you may already know English isin't my first language and i have some troubles still (i am still a kid too)

[Denise]

Denise to the rescue again, AlexeiLVR!!  

ok so what i understand is there was an attempt to cremate two of the bodies wich i herd were Alexei's and one of the ladies in waiting. And then when they realized they have failed to cremate them, were the remains just bones?

Well, the way Yurovsky tells it, while the soldiers were digging the mass grave, he decided to burn Alexei and Alexandra, but got Demidova instead.  The bodies were frozen so they smoked and hissed, but couldn't burn to bone because it was too cold and wet out to make a fire burn hot enough to incinerate the bodies.  So he says that they buried the bodies on the spot where the fire was built (this account is from Fate of the Romanovs, 330).

And the rest of the bodies were burried els where, but the remains of Alexei and the lady in waiting were burried in another spot?

Once they realized that burning was not going to work, they buried the rest of the bodies in the mass grave after smashing the faces abd dumping acid on them so they couldn't be recognized.

This is all abit confusing for me! Can somebody explain it to me again but in simpler form? Thanx i'm sorry for the trouble as some of you may already know English isin't my first language and i have some troubles still (i am still a kid too)

I hope this helped!!  If something is still not clear, you just have to ask!

[helenazar]

I just want to add that in reality, the two bodies that were separated from the rest, turned out to be Alexei and Anastasia (some people believe Marie), and not the lady in waiting, and these two bodies are the ones still missing...

[Denise]

Yes, Helen, you are correct!!  I was going by Yurovsky's testimony.  Thanks for the correction.  I wouldn't want to confuse our new student!  

[AlexeiLVR]

Thanx Denise

And wow so Yurovsky actualy said he burried Alexei and Anastasia not the lady in waiting in a seperate place! So I guess thats the anwser to the two missing bodies!

But wasn't there 12 people murdered and 9 were found in the mass grave and two (Alexei and Anastasia) burried els where. Wheres the 12th bodie? or was there only 11?

[Denise]

But wasn't there 12 people murdered and 9 were found in the mass grave and two (Alexei and Anastasia) burried els where. Wheres the 12th bodie? or was there only 11?

There were only 11.

And wow so Yurovsky actualy said he burried Alexei and Anastasia not the lady in waiting in a seperate place! So I guess thats the anwser to the two missing bodies!

No, he said he buried Alexei and the lady in waiting (Demidova).  Since Demidova was found in 1989 in the mass grave, he must have actually buried Anastasia.

[AlexeiLVR]

OOO wow Yurovsky was pretty stupid then! If he wanted to burn Alexandra and Alexei, and actualy burned Alexei and Anastasia! (i'm so sorry if i'm wrong)